Thats the most amazing finish ive ever seen!!!

[Stevie_k]

Explain THAT!

Phelps touching out the 100 fly, i thought he had lost it, i was absolutely convinced of it actually. I was gutted, i really wanted to see him make history.

How on earth he took that i will never know, still cant get over it now.

I can only assume the other guy was gliding into the wall and decellerating, while phelps was accelerating taking that extra pull and his arms were 500%faster as the were OUT of the water while the other guy was being slowed down IN the water.

Only in the super slomo can you actually believe that he managed to take that touch.

Ive never seen anything like it in swimming, THE most incredible finish, and the fact that it was for the most historic moment in 36 years is literally beyond belief.

You cannot write this stuff surely!

[Spidey]

0.01 is a long way in swimming, especialy if it means Gold no. 7.

[Verity]

Yep Superhuman.

[Juicy Lucy]

I've also posted this on the Crocker / Phelps thread.

I've watched it over and over, and still can't decide who touched first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dySsSyRpLRo&eurl=http://shonzilla.tumblr.com/post/46173044/cavic-vs-phelps-photofinish

[Stevie_k]

I honestly think phelps won it by a knats pube.

[missjackiechan]

Its because of the size of his hands!

This is a comment below the youtube video....

"Meanwhile, the Serbian team did file an official protest regarding the finish, but FINA slowed the video to the 10,000th of a second to make sure Phelps actually touched first. The Serbian team was able to view this footage and FINA executive director Cornel Marculescu said that the Serbian team "was very satisfied and they agree with the referee."

[KatieBun]

I honestly think phelps won it by a knats pube.

Stevie, you've measured one?:zip:

[Juicy Lucy]

Stevie, you've measured one?:zip:

No. He is one!!!:wave:

[NotVeryFast]

Ive never seen anything like it in swimming, THE most incredible finish, and the fact that it was for the most historic moment in 36 years is literally beyond belief.
His win in 2004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcoXfRm1Jt0&fmt=6) was similar, with 10m to go you couldn't believe he could win. However he did have the better stroke timing in 2004, so it wasn't quite as close, he won by 0.04 rather than 0.01 this year.

[colonelhall]

The ability to destroy a field, coupled with the fact that he came out on top in two amazing finishes that seemed to be written on the stars, makes him a candidate for one of the greatest Olympians ever. People will argue about the number of medals and the fact that these opportunities are not open to everyone, so forget that and concentrate on the drama, the beauty, the moment in time that will be forever remembered. I'm speechless.

[Juicy Lucy]

This is an interesting photo...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/

[Bully]

There is nothing to separate these 2 swimmers, sadly only Phelps will be remembered and whoever the other bloke was will be forgotten.

[Spidey]

I've also posted this on the Crocker / Phelps thread.

I've watched it over and over, and still can't decide who touched first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dySsSyRpLRo&eurl=http://shonzilla.tumblr.com/post/46173044/cavic-vs-phelps-photofinishI think this link is incorrect - I see nothing related to a photo finish? Is it me?

[Spidey]

His win in 2004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcoXfRm1Jt0&fmt=6) was similar, with 10m to go you couldn't believe he could win. However he did have the better stroke timing in 2004, so it wasn't quite as close, he won by 0.04 rather than 0.01 this year.
Watching it, you can see that spotting the finish won Phelps the race. Crocker was closer to the wall - head wise - when they fnished.

[Bully]

I think this link is incorrect - I see nothing related to a photo finish? Is it me?

No it's not you spidey, it's definitely phelps.

[SPF-100]

The video has been removed by the user :(

[NotVeryFast]

The video has been removed by the user :(
NBC seem to be aggressively getting anything from this Olympics removed from youtube. In a few weeks/months, when the commercial opportunity has passed, it might become possible for people to post footage without getting swiftly pounced on. That's why I only put the video up from 2004 rather than anything from this year.

[Juicy Lucy]

I was looking at an American swimming forum yesterday. Another Youtube link showing the finish has also been removed.

[Dunc]

All the links have been removed, more money to NBC, as if having morning finals wasn't enough.

However, I am not convinced that Phelps won. This is the final frame of the finish.

1955

[SPF-100]

Phelps fingers are clearly touching there, and also slightly bent whilst Cavic's fingers are still not touched yet.

[missjackiechan]

At the press conference with Phelps this morning one journalist said to Phelps that there was a conspiracy theory to do with Omega.....

www.001ofasecond.com/

This is the fastest conspiracy theory to be developed!!!...with its own website too!

[Knowley]

All the links have been removed, more money to NBC, as if having morning finals wasn't enough.

However, I am not convinced that Phelps won. This is the final frame of the finish.

1955 Looks like Phelps touched with one hand first - thats a DQ in fly isn't it :aarrgghh:

[Stevie_k]

hahaha, nice one knowley!!

Its just the most amazing finish ever. Im not sure the human eye can spot 1/100 of a second. Thats what electronic timing pads are for.

As i said, phelps accelerating from extra push, cavic decelarating from a glide in. Phelps arms are out the water, not in.

He takes the touch.

[Juicy Lucy]

Seems impossible that Cavic should lose it from this position, so close to touching the wall...

[NotVeryFast]

It isn't the first person to touch the wall who wins, it's the first person to trigger the pad. Two people can touch with different techniques for how they try to push against the pad, and this can certainly make a difference of a few hundredths.

Look at the women's 50 free, for example. Dara Torres quite clearly touched the wall before Britta Steffen, but Britta Steffen won by 0.01. Dara Torres didn't really push hard straight into the pad with her fingertips, she had her hand at an angle. Perhaps this is another thing that swimmers need to be coached on, and specifically train for, their technique for how they trigger the pad?

Should we use a different method to determine the winner? E.g. should there be high speed cameras running at perhaps 500 frames per second, and determine the winner by who touches first rather than the triggering of the pad? From what we've seen at this Olympics, if the aim of the pads is to capture who touches first, then I don't believe they capture the moment of touching the pad to any greater accuracy than approx 0.1 seconds. I'm sure they capture something to 0.01 second accuracy, but it's not a touch, it's a touch accompanied by a certain amount of force.

[deepwater]

[QUOTE=Stevie_k;143660]Explain THAT!

Phelps touching out the 100 fly, i thought he had lost it, i was absolutely convinced of it actually. I was gutted, i really wanted to see him make history.


Yeah but Phelps to me acts a bit sure of himself by telling the whole world that he want to be the best olympian in history. i mean come on if that not kocky then what is huh? i dunno i no he is like the best of the best n i no he will win all 8 but could he be a bit more modest. i would like to see him get beat. no offence to him cause he is great.:mad:

[Stevie_k]

If i was as good as Phelps i would put it about like a WWE wrestler does.

nobody would like me but they would pay to watch me get beat....which would never happed :D

[Juicy Lucy]

It isn't the first person to touch the wall who wins, it's the first person to trigger the pad. Two people can touch with different techniques for how they try to push against the pad, and this can certainly make a difference of a few hundredths.


This has certainly been the case at the Coventry pool. I've heard announcements made many times to swimmers to finish hard on the touch pads. The best advice I've been given, regarding finishing, is to 'swim through the timekeepers' at the end of the race. Phelps did just this. Cavic glided in and was slowing down as he approached the wall.

[colonelhall]

Definitely a one-hand touch. Disqualified!

"Phelpsgate" let the conspiracies multiply.

[colonelhall]

I was told that it was the Olympic committee that was taking the clips off.

[Dunc]

All the more reason for a conspiracy.

Lest we forget Piersol's disqualification in Athens which was countermanded under US pressure.

[Fire in Water]

There is nothing to separate these 2 swimmers, sadly only Phelps will be remembered and whoever the other bloke was will be forgotten.
There has been conversation about Phelps overshadowing everyone, and that's absolutely true.

[SPF-100]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsDg5nS8qkM

the video of the finish, there is even bits in the video that say what's happening, I don't know what sound there is as my sound card has packed up but a good video all the same.

[missjackiechan]

This is one of the frames from that website video???? Hard to tell where Phelps other hand is!

[dclaryjr]

I was told that it was the Olympic committee that was taking the clips off.

I put up a clip of Katijima and after 70 views I got this in an emal:

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NBC Universal (Sports) has claimed some or all visual content in your video Kitajima 2008 Start 100 Breast Prelim (Underwater). This claim was made as part of the YouTube Content Identification program.

Your video is no longer available because NBC Universal (Sports) has chosen to block it.

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[Leprechaun]

At the press conference with Phelps this morning one journalist said to Phelps that there was a conspiracy theory to do with Omega.....

www.001ofasecond.com/

This is the fastest conspiracy theory to be developed!!!...with its own website too!

Hilarious...bitter or not?
:devil:

[Spidey]

That picture on the 0.01 of a second site, any pictures advance showing the actual touch?