National Age Group Relays 2009

[Happi Blue]

Boys 4 x 100m Freestyle:


Plymouth Leander 3.42.64
Harrogate District 3.50.03
Nova Centurion 3.50.19
DARTES 3.52.56
Lincoln Vulcans 3.53.45
City of Sheffield 3.54.18
City of Leeds 3.54.35
Team Ipswich 3.54.79
UEA City of Norwich 3.55.69
Stockport Metro 3.55.84
Millfield School 3.56.11
Bracknell & Wokingham 3.56.79
Bournemouth Dolphins 3.56.86
Warriors of Warrington 3.57.54
Ren 96 3.58.11
City of Liverpool 3.58.12
Guildford City 3.58.17
City of Coventry 3.59.25
City of Newcastle 3.59.78
Gallica 4.00.68
Carnegie 4.01.39
Black Lion 4.01.80
City of Milton Keynes 4.02.11
Leatherhead 4.02.64
Croydon Amphibians 4.02.92
Camden Swiss Cottage 4.03.29
Maxwell 4.03.53
South Lanark 4.03.90
City of Chester 4.04.29
Modernians 4.04.31

[Happi Blue]

Boys 4 x 200 Freestyle - SW left to swim

Harrogate 08:26.06
Team Ipswich 08:27.29
Sheffield 08:28.31
Nova Centurian 08:29.52
UEA Norwich 08:31.33
Stockport Metro 08:32.95
Coventry Mid 08:33.50
Co Newcastle 08:36.67
Leeds 08:37.25
Gallica 08:37.81
Derventio Excel A 08:41.41
Bracknell & Wokingham 08:41.43
Kirklees 08:41.70
Carnegie A 08:42.34
Milton Keynes 08:43.16
Chester-Le-Street 08:44.49
Liverpool 08:46.73
Leatherhead 08:47.28
Redbridge 08:48.03
South Lanark A 08:48.04
Barnet Copthall 08:48.07
Ren 96 08:49.01
Leicester 08:49.25
Black Lion A 08:49.28
Guildford A 08:50.11
Chase 08:52.73
Southampton A 08:54.53
Peterborough 08:54.80
Glasgow 08:55.54
Satellite 08:55.70

[Happi Blue]

I'll post the other events after next weekend as not enough regions have competed yet :)

[Happi Blue]

Boys 4 x 200 FS

1 Plymouth Leander SW 08:14.38
2 Harrogate NE 08:26.06
3 Team Ipswich East 08:27.29
4 Sheffield NE 08:28.31
5 Millfield SW 08:28.59
6 Nova Centurian Mid 08:29.52
7 UEA Norwich East 08:31.33
8 Stockport Metro NW 08:32.95
9 Coventry Mid 08:33.50
10 Co Newcastle NE 08:36.67
11 Leeds NE 08:37.25
12 Gallica NW 08:37.81
13 Bournemouth SW 08:40.28
14 Derventio Excel A Mid 08:41.41
15 Bracknell & Wokingham 08:41.43
16 Kirklees NE 08:41.70
17 Carnegie A Scotland 08:42.34
18 Milton Keynes SE 08:43.16
19 Chester-Le-Street NE 08:44.49
20 Liverpool NW 08:46.73
21 Leatherhead SE 08:47.28
22 Redbridge London 08:48.03
23 South Lanark A Scotland 08:48.04
24 Barnet Copthall London 08:48.07
25 Ren 96 Scotland 08:49.01
26 Leicester Mid 08:49.25
27 Black Lion A SE 08:49.28
28 Guildford A SE 08:50.11
29 Chase Mid 08:52.73
30 Southampton A SE 08:54.53

[Happi Blue]

Girls 4 x 100 Freestyle

1 Bournemouth SW 04:08.45
2 UEA Norwich East 04:09.69
3 Bath Uni SW 04:10.74
4 Nova Centurion Mid 04:11.40
5 Stockport Metro NW 04:11.47
6 Sheffield A NE 04:11.92
7 Birmingham Mid 04:13.05
8 Team Ipswich East 04:14.15
9 Guildford A SE 04:14.82
10 Gallica NW 04:15.42
11 Plymouth Leander SW 04:16.35
12 Cardiff Wales 04:16.73
13 Oldham Acquatics NW 04:16.78
14 Millfield SW 04:17.55
15 Harrogate NE 04:17.90
16 East Lothian A Scotland 04:18.79
17 Peterborough East 04:18.81
18 Liverpool NW 04:19.32
19 Barnett Copthall London 04:19.45
20 Hatfield A East 04:19.46
21 SX3 Swindon SW 04:19.60
22 Amersham SE 04:19.77
23 Deventio Excel Mid 04:19.83
24 Coventry Mid 04:20.37
25 Glasgow A Scotland 04:20.60
26 Windsor SE 04:20.74
27 Leeds NE 04:20.79
28 Incas A Scotland 04:21.01
29 Birmingham B Mid 04:21.53
30 St Felix School East 04:21.69

[Happi Blue]

The North East have yet to swim the medley relays, I have all the results in but will post when the NE have swum.

[swimbar]

Boys 4 x 200 FS

1 Plymouth Leander SW 08:14.38
2 Harrogate NE 08:26.06
3 Team Ipswich East 08:27.29
4 Sheffield NE 08:28.31
5 Millfield SW 08:28.59
6 Nova Centurian Mid 08:29.52
7 UEA Norwich East 08:31.33
8 Stockport Metro NW 08:32.95
9 Coventry Mid 08:33.50
10 Co Newcastle NE 08:36.67
11 Leeds NE 08:37.25
12 Gallica NW 08:37.81
13 Bournemouth SW 08:40.28
14 Derventio Excel A Mid 08:41.41
15 Bracknell & Wokingham 08:41.43
16 Kirklees NE 08:41.70
17 Carnegie A Scotland 08:42.34
18 Milton Keynes SE 08:43.16
19 Chester-Le-Street NE 08:44.49
20 Liverpool NW 08:46.73
21 Leatherhead SE 08:47.28
22 Redbridge London 08:48.03
23 South Lanark A Scotland 08:48.04
24 Barnet Copthall London 08:48.07
25 Ren 96 Scotland 08:49.01
26 Leicester Mid 08:49.25
27 Black Lion A SE 08:49.28
28 Guildford A SE 08:50.11
29 Chase Mid 08:52.73
30 Southampton A SE 08:54.53

The West have not declared a result for this event on their website!
Is there a problem?

[Happi Blue]

There wasn't when I was there and I've got the printed result sheet which is all ok

[peterg]

Do you have the list for the girls 4 x 200 Happi? - and isn't it only 20 teams that qualify for that event. Our girls missed out by .81 in the 4 x 100.

[Happi Blue]

Sorry, we didn't have a team :cry:

The meet conditions say 30 teams for relay events this year, as they did for Youths, so I've gone for 30 teams in the 4 x 200

[lane4]

Sorry, we didn't have a teamThis is surely unacceptable. Has an investigation been launched as to why? Is the ASA to blame?

[Happi Blue]

:) :wave:

[peterg]

Couldn't find any Welsh results for the girls 4 x 200 Free, and my Excel Spreadsheet rounded up all times to the nearest tenth, but with that caveat, here are the top 30 teams:

City of Birmingham 09:00.7
UEA Norwich 09:02.1
Co Sheffield A 09:02.5
Nova Centurion 09:03.5
Bournemouth Dolphins 09:05.5
Guidford City 09:06.8
Gallica 09:07.3
Amersham 09:07.9
Team Ipswich 09:10.4
City of Leeds 09:11.0
University of Bath 09:11.5
Stockport Metro 09:11.8
Derventio Excel 09:12.0
City of Peterborough 09:13.8
Barnet Copthall 09:13.9
Rushmoor Royals 09:14.4
Bor of Waltham Forest 09:16.1
Hillingdon SC 09:16.4
East Lothian A 09:20.5
City of Birmingham B 09:20.7
Gallica B 09:21.3
SX3 Swindon Swim 09:22.4
St Felix School 09:23.1
Oldham Aquatics 09:23.7
Co Newcastle 09:24.8
City of Bradford 09:25.6
Cleethorpes and Scun 09:27.8
Harrogate District 09:28.1

[swimbar]

Couldn't find any Welsh results for the girls 4 x 200 Free, and my Excel Spreadsheet rounded up all times to the nearest tenth, but with that caveat, here are the top 30 teams:

City of Birmingham 09:00.7
UEA Norwich 09:02.1
Co Sheffield A 09:02.5
Nova Centurion 09:03.5
Bournemouth Dolphins 09:05.5
Guidford City 09:06.8
Gallica 09:07.3
Amersham 09:07.9
Team Ipswich 09:10.4
City of Leeds 09:11.0
University of Bath 09:11.5
Stockport Metro 09:11.8
Derventio Excel 09:12.0
City of Peterborough 09:13.8
Barnet Copthall 09:13.9
Rushmoor Royals 09:14.4
Bor of Waltham Forest 09:16.1
Hillingdon SC 09:16.4
East Lothian A 09:20.5
City of Birmingham B 09:20.7
Gallica B 09:21.3
SX3 Swindon Swim 09:22.4
St Felix School 09:23.1
Oldham Aquatics 09:23.7
Co Newcastle 09:24.8
City of Bradford 09:25.6
Cleethorpes and Scun 09:27.8
Harrogate District 09:28.1

I think you will find that your South East results are not correct!!

[peterg]

I think you will find that your South East results are not correct!!

Thanks, don't know how that happened - spelling Guildford wrong but giving them a faster time. Assuming no other mistakes:


City of Birmingham 09:00.7
UEA Norwich 09:02.1
Co Sheffield A 09:02.5
Nova Centurion 09:03.5
Bournemouth Dolphins 09:05.5
Gallica 09:07.3
Team Ipswich 09:10.4
City of Leeds 09:11.0
University of Bath 09:11.5
Stockport Metro 09:11.8
Derventio Excel 09:12.0
City of Peterborough 09:13.8
Barnet Copthall 09:13.9
Rushmoor Royals 09:14.4
Bor of Waltham Forest 09:16.1
Hillingdon SC 09:16.4
Guildford City 09:18.1
East Lothian A 09:20.5
City of Birmingham B 09:20.7
City of Oxford 09:21.2
Gallica B 09:21.3
SX3 Swindon Swim 09:22.4
St Felix School 09:23.1
Oldham Aquatics 09:23.7
Co Newcastle 09:24.8
City of Bradford 09:25.6
Cleethorpes and Scun 09:27.8
Harrogate District 09:28.1
Co Glasgow A 09:30.0
Newburn SC 09:30.8
Incas A 09:31.5
Hatfield A 09:31.8
Maxwell 09:32.3
City of Milton Keynes 09:33.5
Southport 09:33.6
Millfield School 09:35.0
Swim Trafford 09:35.4
Amersham 09:36.7
Greenwich Bor Mariners 09:38.4
City of Liverpool 09:38.8
Kingston upon Hull 09:40.5
City of Sunderland 09:40.9
Satellite 09:41.3
Wandsworth SC 09:42.9
N Ayrshire A 09:44.1
City of Coventry 09:44.4
Guidford City B 09:44.5
Warrender A 09:44.9
Heart of Mid A 09:45.0
City of Southampton A 09:45.5
Derventio Excel B 09:45.7
Chase SC 09:47.7
Wirral Metro 09:49.0
City of Salford 09:49.1
Garioch A 09:49.2
Kingston Royals 09:50.3
Seagulls A 09:53.1
Black Lion A 09:53.4
Hatfield B 09:53.4

[johnhy]

I think Rushmoor and Milton Keynes shouldn't be in the list. The only relevant Welsh ones seem to be Cardiff 9.24.5 and possibly Nofio Sir Gar 9.36.3 - perhaps someone with better knowledge of Welsh would tell me where that is

[peterg]

I think Rushmoor and Milton Keynes shouldn't be in the list. The only relevant Welsh ones seem to be Cardiff 9.24.5 and possibly Nofio Sir Gar 9.36.3 - perhaps someone with better knowledge of Welsh would tell me where that is

I must have looked at last years south east results at some time.:cry:

[Apostle]

I think in previous years only the top 20 qualified for the 4x200.

[peterg]

I think in previous years only the top 20 qualified for the 4x200.

It definitely was last year - Happi suggested that this year it had changed. Anyway, taking into account Johnny's amendments, here are the top 30 - hopefully with no more mistakes:


City of Birmingham 09:00.7
UEA Norwich 09:02.1
Co Sheffield A 09:02.5
Nova Centurion 09:03.5
Bournemouth Dolphins 09:05.5
Gallica 09:07.3
Team Ipswich 09:10.4
City of Leeds 09:11.0
University of Bath 09:11.5
Stockport Metro 09:11.8
Derventio Excel 09:12.0
City of Peterborough 09:13.8
Barnet Copthall 09:13.9
Bor of Waltham Forest 09:16.1
Hillingdon SC 09:16.4
Guildford City 09:18.1
East Lothian A 09:20.5
City of Birmingham B 09:20.7
City of Oxford 09:21.2
Gallica B 09:21.3
SX3 Swindon Swim 09:22.4
St Felix School 09:23.1
Oldham Aquatics 09:23.7
Cardiff 09:24.5
Co Newcastle 09:24.8
City of Bradford 09:25.6
Cleethorpes and Scun 09:27.8
Harrogate District 09:28.1

[Happi Blue]

The meet conditions state:

'The fastest 30 teams will be accepted into the team events irrespective of English Region, Scotland or Wales. In the event of equal times
being submitted for the final available place, a ballot will determine. The names of 2 reserve teams will be published.'

[Happi Blue]

Girls 4 x 100 Medley:

1) Bournemouth 04:41.01
2) Plymouth Leander 04:41.68
3) Stockport Metro 04:42.16
4) City of Salford 04:43.37
5) Bath Uni 04:43.69
6) Millfield 04:43.92
7) Nova Centurion 04:44.73
8) Team Ipswich 04:45.30
9) UAE Norwich 04:45.91
10) Birmingham 04:46.31
11) Guildford A 04:46.99
12) Gallica 04:48.19
13) Liverpool 04:48.32
14) City of Sheffield 04:48.36
15) Deventio Excel 04:49.17
16) SX3 Swindon 04:49.79
17) Peterborough 04:50.06
18) Incas 04:50.08
19) Hillingdon 04:50.64
20) Harrogate 04:50.67
21) Romford Town 04:51.19
22) Camden Swiss Cottage 04:51.44
23) Barnett Copthall 04:51.96
24) Leeds 04:52.16
25) Newcastle 04:52.37
26) Taunton Deane 04:52.60
27) St Felix School 04:54.17
28) Glasgow 04:54.18
29) City of Oxford 04:54.59
30) East Lothian 04:54.99

[swimbar]

Girls 4 x 100 Medley:

Bournemouth 04:41.01
Plymouth Leander 04:41.68
Stockport Metro 04:42.16
City of Salford 04:43.37
Bath Uni 04:43.69
Millfield 04:43.92
Nova Centurion 04:44.73
Team Ipswich 04:45.30
UAE Norwich 04:45.91
Birmingham 04:46.31
Guildford A 04:46.99
Gallica 04:48.19
Liverpool 04:48.32
City of Sheffield 04:48.36
Deventio Excel 04:49.17
SX3 Swindon 04:49.79
Peterborough 04:50.06
Incas 04:50.08
Hillingdon 04:50.64
Harrogate 04:50.67
Romford Town 04:51.19
Camden Swiss Cottage 04:51.44
Barnett Copthall 04:51.96
Leeds 04:52.16
Newcastle 04:52.37
Taunton Deane 04:52.60
Leeds 04:53.56
St Felix School 04:54.17
Glasgow 04:54.18
City of Oxford 04:54.59

East Lothian 4.54.99 makes 30

[Linny]

It grates on me somewhat that it is possible for City of Leeds to qualify(assuming the accuracy of the postings) for the girls 4 x 200 free using a time from the ASANER BAGCAT Championships and the girls 4 x 100 medley using a time from the SNAGs.

I don't think that this should be possible and if BAGCAT qualifying rules permit it then perhaps Scottish rules should be changed to prevent English teams using the SNAGs for a second qualifying opportunity. It conjures up all sorts of potential problems with the management and checking of team lines between meets now that second (and indeed third, fourth and fifth teams for Plymouth Leander) can qualify albeit none of them are likely.

Can English teams qualify at Welsh Nationals?

[Linny]

Thinking about it, also, because Scottish relays are held in the finals sessions and entries may have to be limited, it isn't fair for Scottish teams to potentially miss out on an opportunity to compete and possibly qualify in favour of an English team who will have an opportunity in their own Regionals anyway. :clear:

[Pink Paraffin]

Linny has a good point. Who checks that Club Team A at Scottish Nationals does not have crossover members with Club Team B at ASA Regional Age Groups and then they both qualify?

[Linny]

Linny has a good point. Who checks that Club Team A at Scottish Nationals does not have crossover members with Club Team B at ASA Regional Age Groups and then they both qualify?I'm not even sure that strictly speaking there is a rule precluding it PP. Had the fastest City of Leeds 4 x 100 medley team at ASANER been called the "B Team" then would they not be entitled to qualify if all the rules state isThe fastest 30 teams will be accepted into the team events irrespective of English Region, Scotland or Wales. In the event of equal times being submitted for the final available place, a ballot will determine. The names of 2 reserve teams will be published.and they would be fine when they got there because quite rightly, once they get to Sheffield, a Club does not have to field the same team that qualified. These Regional Relays aren't heats as such, so the regularly applied rules about team members only being able to swim for one team don't apply as far as I can see.

Anyway, this hasn't happened here, I'm not suggesting it has, but had the Clubs that travel to SNAGs been a bit stronger and thus qualifying several teams then it could have. It's just an unnecessary complication and the simplest thing would be for teams to be able to qualify from their own respective regions/home countries only I reckon or for the ASA to ask promoters for those qualifying meets that are open to entries from Clubs in other regions, such as SNAGs, to disallow entries into their relay events from outside teams.

[Linny]

In fact, here I am a couple of hours later thinking, and if you have a particular type of disturbed mind like mine, there is lots of scope for inappropriate qualification of relay teams for ASAs unless there are rules that I am not aware of.

Because SNAGs is held on a different date, there is nothing that I can see to prevent English Club swimmers swimming in relays for second claim Scottish Clubs or vice versa as well as their first claim Clubs. I mean, a whole relay team from a top team could swim for a second claim Club to qualify them or the ASAs in theory. OK, so it would kind of defeat the object because none of them would then be able to swim in Sheffield and they would come last but it could be helpful in terms of points. :)

Again, not suggesting this has happened, but now I'm thinking maybe relays at regionals should be considered heats for the finals in Sheffield. :zip:

[chris_lamb]

Again, not suggesting this has happened, but now I'm thinking maybe relays at regionals should be considered heats for the finals in Sheffield. :zip:

I would suspect that the original intention was that clubs would only be able to qualify in their "home" event and the Scottish (and Welsh?) anomalies are an unexpected side effect. ISTM that it would make sense to close the loophole and only allow each club a single chance to qualify.

[Happi Blue]

And finally!

The boys 4 x 100m Medley Relay:

Plymouth Leander A 04:10.96
Plymouth Leander B 04:11.12
Co Newcastle 04:19.26
Nova Centurion 04:20.25
Lincoln Vulcans 04:22.33
UAE Norwich 04:22.62
Millfield 04:23.75
DARTES 04:24.15
Derventio Excel A 04:24.23
Liverpool 04:24.76
Stockport Metro 04:25.24
Team Ipswich 04:25.35
Bournemouth 04:25.92
Leeds 04:26.61
Sheffield 04:27.08
Carnegie A 04:27.56
Romford Town 04:27.93
Milton Keynes 04:29.09
Bracknell & Wokingham 04:29.67
Southampton A 04:29.97
Chase 04:30.36
Guildford A 04:30.51
Gallica 04:31.49
Hillingdon 04:31.78
Salford 04:32.86
Coventry 04:33.24
Bo Kirklees 04:33.44
Beckenham 04:34.80
Bath Uni 04:35.19
Black Lion A 04:35.37

[swimbar]

It's just an unnecessary complication and the simplest thing would be for teams to be able to qualify from their own respective regions/home countries only I reckon or for the ASA to ask promoters for those qualifying meets that are open to entries from Clubs in other regions, such as SNAGs, to disallow entries into their relay events from outside teams.

'The simplest thing' would be to allow only English Clubs to qualify, through their respective regions.
It is the ASA (i.e English) Championships!!.

[Pink Paraffin]

'The simplest thing' would be to allow only English Clubs to qualify, through their respective regions.
It is the ASA (i.e English) Championships!!.

Ah, now you really start to get into some interesting waters as the ASA National BACGAT & Youth Championships are, by implication, ASA events. So England only then, you're suggesting?

[Linny]

Ah, now you really start to get into some interesting waters as the ASA National BACGAT & Youth Championships are, by implication, ASA events. So England only then, you're suggesting?What's a BACGAT?

[Pink Paraffin]

What's a BACGAT?

Its a bit like a BATCAG but less onerous than a BAACGT

[peterg]

Does anyone know when the official list of qualifying teams will be published?

[Goldfish]

Does anyone know when the official list of qualifying teams will be published?

Bet, swimbar knows.

[Apostle]

And Happi Blue.

[ambresolaire]

Does anyone know when the official list of qualifying teams will be published?

Presumably after Scottish Nationals (this coming weekend) which is the last qualifying opportunity.

[johnhy]

If you go into the online entries for the Age Groups on the ASA website you will find a list of the qualified relay teams at the end of the list of entries to date.

I think Scottish Age Groups in April were the qualifying event not the coming Scottish Nationals.

[Verity]

Today, after they received the results from the postponed NER's? they're in the Rankings now, or should I stick to Masters.

V

[swimbar]

Presumably after Scottish Nationals (this coming weekend) which is the last qualifying opportunity.

Qualifying Opportunity for what? - certainly not the ASA National Age, Youth & Long Course Championships. Closing dates are before the Scottish Nationals