wot do u all eat before & after training?

[mad4it]

hiya
just out of interest i was wonderin wot everybody eats before and after morning and evening training and how long before or after do u eat it?:confused: :confused:
i normally hav rice crispies/or sometimes weetabix before mornin trainin - usually 1 hr before as i hav 2 leave my house 45mins before trainin as it takes 1/2 and hour 2 get there. i usually hav a roll, yoghurt & a flask of hot chocolate on my way back 2 school in the car about 20-25mins after training.
before evening training i usually hav 2 slices of toast and an orange juice about 1hr before training - the whole travel thing again - and hav a proper evening meal afterwards usually and 45mins after - sumthing like pasta or baked potatoes with veg - something good usually.
just wanted ur thoughts on it. thanks.

:D :p :cheers: :flash: :wave:

[super_fish88]

Before morning training i usually grab a piece of toast or have a quick bowl of cereal, i have my proper breakfast after training if i have time.
Before evening training i have a snack, whatever's lying around really! Sometimes i decide to be healthy and have a banana too!
After evening training i have my tea, which is usually some weird-looking concoction that my mum invented using all sorts of weird and wonderful ingredients!!!

[mad4it]

lol

[super_fish88]

Seriously. You should see what she cooks! (If you can call it cooking)

[mad4it]

u r lucky that she cooks u sumthing - 1/2 the time i cum home from trainin absolutely knackered and i hav 2 go make my tea myself - (but i suppose that is only twice a week when mums out) so wot sort of thing does ur mum make then?

[super_fish88]

Lucky?! You must be joking! It's like Christmas and my birthday all at the same time when i get to make my own food!

[mad4it]

lol!! :joker:

[tinie]

i eat what ever my mum cookes witch isnt alwaysd the best og foods lol

[Graham Williams]

Do none of you make use of energy drinks while training and recoverey drinks after?
If not are you training properly in the right zone, or just doing what you are told? and getting tired.
Hmmmm seems strange at time the way the swimmers do there training, times have moved on since steak and eggs in the rocky films.

[parent]

We always send our lad training with Lucozade sport but what does he need as a recoverey drink.

[Graham Williams]

Lucozade sport is not one of the best to use as it is expensive and a bit to strong, other makes which you mix with water and to your taste are better, such as SIS Psp, Maxim, and so on, they also do recoverey drinks which taste very sweet if you drink them with out training but after training your body is craving sugar type tastes, (ever seen the kids at the chocalate machine afterwards?) the recovery drink is not sugar but a blend of carbohydrates and protein to rebuild muscles, if you want further info let me know and I will get u some. Also eat or drink within 20 mins to aid take up into body.

[parent]

Thanx Graham ,how about eating at competitions!
It was our first year at the Bagcats nationals (4 days 7:30-7:30)
He does not like cold pasta so we took him to McDonalds and he had 2 Big Macs(between heats and finals) probably not the best thing to eat but that is what he likes.

p.s. 3 Golds
1 Silver
7 Finals (7pbs)

[Graham Williams]

Good results, As with everythng in life there are allways exceptions, Big Macs are basicly a fat attack to the body and of no use in the energy systems used in swimming(with the exception of channel swimming) He likes them and he got good results but could they have been better and faster? the training leading up to the comp got the results but with more thought in other areas can we get more? Other things to think about are energy bars and gells for use inbetween (Power bar Go bars etc:)
Keep on winning but use everything at your disposal LEGAL ONLY OF COURSE. If not sure leave it.

[swimmer]

my mum wont buy me eneryy / recovery drinks, she says they r a waste of money coz they do nothing grrr soooo annoying

[shsassy]

If I'm swimming in the morning I usually have a bowl of Malt O' Meal (a healthier form of Cream of Wheat) at least 30mins prior to practicing. 3 Hours after having that meal and at least two hours after practice is over I'll have some sort of protein and/or simple carbohydrate. I make my own homade protein bars and they are delicious. If I'm swimming in the evening I usually just have a snack before and then a meal (consisting of protein and simple carbs) afterwards. Before weight lifting I'll sometimes have a protein shake made with whey, dextrose, and creatine, or else I'll just have the creatine, but there's no reason why you can't just have a meal after weight lifting. Protein shakes don't sit too well in your stomach to have before swimming. I prefer to drink water while I'm swimming and gatorade while lifting.

[swimmer]

oooo creatine :(

[chlorine_babe]

I have toast before swimming yoghurt & rolls in my 1st lecture then more rolls & cheese maybe bananas before afternoon training then dinner when I get home.

[swimchick152]

I usually have a piece of this bread we make and a nutrigrain bar b4......just a normal breakfast really :D lol

[Graham Williams]

what do you mean?
oooo creatine


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[GettingFaster]

Caution: I have been told that some creatine preparations available in the UK can contain banned substances so you have to be really, really careful that you don't unintentionally fall foul of doping rules. Creatine itself isn't banned as far as I know, but there are some creatine preparations containing excess caffeine for example. I don't have any more specific info, it's just something I heard from someone who has looked into creatine in more depth, so this is a general note of caution on the use of food supplements rather than a statement that they shouldn't be used.

[Graham Williams]

Getting faster you are 100% correct never use anything you are not sure about or does not come from a sealed container and from a source you are sure about. Allways research the product your self and ask advice from a regulation body eg: ASA BTA etc:
As for creatine it is at the moment legal and is classed as a foodstuff. I will not say anymore about it or which versions are ok as it should be used only for and by experianced athletes depending on the sport.

[swimmer]

sorry, yeh i meant what GF expplained, also, it's not banned...................yet

[Katie]

Well they can't ban it because it's a natural body substance... but I have also heard that the long term effects aren't known!!

[swimmer]

but if its a neutral body substance what's the point of taking it? surely 'neutral body substance' implies that it has no effect??

[Steve]

I think she means natural :)

[swimmer]

oohhh ok, but then surely you can ban it!a few e.gs, blood I think everyone will aggree is a natural body substance and blood doping is banned, testosterone is a natural body substance and injecting large amounts of it is banned ??????

[Graham Williams]

Good questions PF, but that starts the whole thing in what is allowed? Do we ban eating correctly so that we have more energy reserves? Do we ban hypoxic swim training so that our lungs dont expand and become more efficent? do we ban swim training of any kind so that our muscles dont become more efficent? I dont know, all I can say is that we have to have faith in those that make the rules and hope they make the decsions fair for all of us.

[ktcute]

I think the point is that we can eat stuff that would normally form part of our diet, that constitues the things we need to build other substances, such as creatine. It we choose to eat it in a more refined form, them so be it.

I think we need to set boundaries when it comes to putting things in our body that wouldn't normally constitute food... such as creatine. I guess my rule of thumb is, if the caveman didn't eat it as a fuel or mineral, and we don't <U>need</u> it, what is it doing in our diets? As for creatine being "natural", lots of things are natural, but that doesn't mean more is good. For example too much insulin will kill you just as surely as not enough.

My objection with creatine is that it affects blood sugar levels quite drastically, along with the possibility that putting creatine in your body might reduce its own production of the substance. The body is expert at tailoring its output of chemicals, so that it doesn't end up with more than it needs. So what is it going to do if it finds creatine there already?

As for pre and post training foods. Since I've been getting up in the mornings, I tend to try to eat something that contains both some carbohydrate and some protein, though not too much of the latter. Too much simple sugar makes me feel sick, and too much protein makes me want to sink. Without any protein however, I tend to find I'm wallowing in soreness. Something like a slice of toast, or a banana, and a yoghurt seems to work quite well for me. I'm looking for easily digestable stuff that won't float around in my stomach for too long, but will give me both fast, and lasting carbohydrate. Which isn't so easy, but kind of fun trying to plan for.

As for post training foods, I'm going for the more complex foods, like a quick bowl of fresh pasta and tomatoes. I don't actually find I crave sugary foods really, although that might be because of all the different medications I take for one reason and another.

[londoner62]

I never eat before morning swims for at least 2 hours but I do get through some coffee! Immedeatly after I crave/need sugar and if at home pool make a beeline(!) for some Chelsea Buns. Evening swims(should I be so lucky) are usually fortified with bread i.e. sandwich, beforehand and sweet foodstuffs such as Jaffa Cakes after when the body starts flagging. I never had drinks poolside when I was younger and must admit I don't now as I cannot believe there is a benefit when i am limited to 2 hour sessions.

[Graham Williams]

Originally posted by ktcute
My objection with creatine is that it affects blood sugar levels quite drastically, along with the possibility that putting creatine in your body might reduce its own production of the substance. The body is expert at tailoring its output of chemicals, so that it doesn't end up with more than it needs. So what is it going to do if it finds creatine there already?

Where do your facts for this idea come from?

[GettingFaster]

Which idea, Graham? You've quoted two - (1) that creatine affects blood sugar levels, and (2) that the body tailors its output depending on what's there at the moment.

[Graham Williams]

Ok to be correct "facts for these ideas" I am interested wether its a medical fact or just a view.

[olympicdreams]

Originally posted by londoner62
and if at home pool .

I cant believe you have a pool at home, u are so lucky! I'd never be out of the water if i had a pool at my house!

[GettingFaster]

Ooops, olympicdreams, I suspect you've got the wrong end of the stick.

"Dahn Sahf" there are lots of pools around but they're usually in use most of the time with public swimming etc so clubs usually have to train at several different pools to get the hours in. The main pool for the club is usually referred to as the home pool (i.e. the one where you host galas etc) but it's highly unlikely it'd be in someone's back garden! Never mind, londerner62, perhaps one day...

[KatieBun]

...mind you, GF, there's a nifty little number called an "endless pool" which I'm investigating. Anyone any experience of one?

[swimmer]

theyre the best! basically the water runs over the egde of the pool on one end - the end or side facing the scenery and it looks like the pool goes on forever!they have them in a lot of hotels abroad

[KatieBun]

nah, not those ns, they're horizon pools or something. Endless pools have a current built in, which you can alter according to your strength/technique/hangover/ excess of curry...

[chlorine_babe]

They're just like big baths with the water running through them continuosly at different speeds.

[Linny]

One of the coaches at our club has just had one built on to her new house - me I am hoping for an invite when the water goes in.
I gather it wasn't very expensive but the conservatory she put it in was!!!

[KatieBun]

The quote I've had for the pool and fitting was £12,000.

[londoner62]

Ho Ho Ho. By 'Home Pool' I was referring to St Ives Swimming Pool!!! Namely, the pool where I do the majority of my swimming! If only I did have............. Sorry for the misunderstanding but I have learnt to proof read.

Paul

[olympicdreams]

oops! my mistake. i feel soo blonde, i did kinda suspect you meant your usual pool but id never heard anyone call it their home pool

so naive of me

[swimmer]

woah katiebun thats really cheap for a pool! the ones ive seen - granted theyre normal pools not endless ones start at 60k!

[ktcute]

I forget exactly were I found out about creatine phosphate and blood sugar...

The body being an expert at tailoring to equip itself for its needs is just general knowledge acquired form a degree in biology, however I would think it would be pretty obviously to anyone watching kids train in a pool.

[ktcute]

"If you're susceptible to type II diabetes - which quite a large proportion of the population generally are, and they might not necessarily know it - there's some suggestion creatine may worsen that," Rae told ABC Science Online. "And if you have type I diabetes, it makes you acutely more sensitive to insulin, so you can become hypoglycaemic [suffer low blood sugar levels]."

Those with kidney failure could also find themselves unable to cope with the "extra load", she added. More minor side effects may include fluid retention, bad breath and excess wind.

Heres one source ABC Health and Medical News (http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/health/HealthRepublish_922718.htm) proposing a link between blood sugar levels/diabetes and creatine.

And another:

Long term supplementation with creatine has yet to be declared truly safe as there have been reported effects on glucose homeostasis (the regulation of blood sugar levels) and potential subjects with a medical history of diabetes were excluded from the experiment.

tasking about the same study, here (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/08/030813070944.htm) .

[KatieBun]

Originally posted by swimmer
woah katiebun thats really cheap for a pool! the ones ive seen - granted theyre normal pools not endless ones start at 60k!
Endless Pools are really quite small. They cost a whole heap less to run, but without the current they're really just plunge pools.

[blueshots]

iv wrote this in response to chat regarding eating and training. if iv put it in wrong place soz! when i get up for morning training i normally drink a good pint of orange squash. During training i drink orange squash but weaker (sweet stuff never seems to taste good at the pool side?) For breakfast after training i normally have beans on toast and a brew, (or coffee lol). For evening sessions i eat something light like cheese on toast about an hour before start of training and after training i stuff my face on a pasta based dish (hey i'm a student) spag bol or similar with chicken.
during a 2hour training set i'll drink about 1-1.5litres of fluid either water or weak orange squash.
I splash out on the lucozade at gala's ;)
blu

[Kaci]

For evening sessions i eat....

Which evenings would that be then Mathew? http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/grinser/grinning-smiley-018.gif

[Top10ranking]

we have been told to eat bananas after trainig. This is from a coach who is on the start programme thing

[matt]

Which evenings would that be then Mathew? http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/grinser/grinning-smiley-018.gif

Mathew?

[Kaci]

'blueshots' real name is Matt, so your not the only matt in the world Mathew Robert.

[WaterBaby]

we have been told to eat bananas after trainig. This is from a coach who is on the start programme thing
Bananas and nutra grain bars are the best things to eat afterwards im told! also raisons are very good to eat b4 or afta!

[geochuck]

I swam in a thirty hr. marathon in Montreal. The course was 1/3 of a mile around and around. It was relay style with two swimmers on a team.

My Partner was Billy Barton from Florida USA. We changed every lap which took us a little over 7 min.

Half way through the night, Billy could no longer swim because of the cold. I then started to do all the laps. I had tried eating chocolate, glucose powder mixed with tang, and chicken, but nothing seemed to bring up my energy level. I was exhausted after about 15 more laps around the course.

My coach asked Billy if he could go in to relieve me. Billy then went in for two laps. I went to the rest tent to lay down.

A friend of mine who owned Pepi's Pizza, passed by and asked how I was doing. I told him I wasn't feeling too well. Pepi happened to be carrying the largest pizza I had ever seen. He was delivering it to some of the other teams' coaches. He offered me the pizza, and I devoured the whole thing. I went down and got back in the water. I never swam better. When the sun came up, Billy had warmed up and was able to do his laps.

It is important to eat something that you enjoy. Bananas always made my stomach sick.

George Park www.swimdownhill.com

[Steve]

Bananas and nutra grain bars are the best things to eat afterwards im told! also raisons are very good to eat b4 or afta!
So that explains why, at last year's orientation camp everyone was stuffing their faces with Kellogg's Breakfast bars while I was trying to interview them! :) Mind you that was an improvement on the bacon sandwiches they were all eating the year before! :eek:

[matt]

your not the only matt in the world

Does he go to MMU by any chance?

[GettingFaster]

Pizzas all the way, geochuck!
:cool:

[blueshots]

Which evenings would that be then Mathew? http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/grinser/grinning-smiley-018.gif
:devil: u no aswell as me that i havnt been swimming in the evenings cos of my shoulder :rocket:
i pride myself on making training, the last 6six or so weeks have bin pants
blu