Handball

[animal0800]

Must admit, I did feel sorry for the Irish last night, but be honest guys, how many people would honestly tell the ref they handballed after they scored - in a World Cup qualifer with a few minutes to go...



... and I don't remember getting much sympathy from the Irish/Scots/Welsh when the same thing happened to England in 1986...

[Coley Fillet]

I would of much preferred Ireland in the world cup than France, Ireland looked the better team on the night.

[animal0800]

I would of much preferred Ireland in the world cup than France, Ireland looked the better team on the night.


I agree, but the only saving grace is that we won't have a World Cup song from John and Edward !!!!!

[Coley Fillet]

I agree, but the only saving grace is that we won't have a World Cup song from John and Edward !!!!!

Thats right, I didn't think of that. Ok maybe Ireland's exit is for the best in the long run :)

[Big Nev]

Basically the reason the Irish didn't get to S.A., is that they didn't play well enough in the qualifying group.

Then when they played France in Dublin they were outplayed.

Last night they dominated the 1st half and only scored 1. If they had another decent striker up front with Keane they wouldn't have worried about the "cheating" French goal.

None of the teams that got through on the play offs deserved to go as they were not good enough in their respective groups.

[Gina]

If it was that blatent then yes. It was a double handball with the first being unintentional and the second one was certainly not! If he hadn't touched it twice then it would have gone out for a goal kick. Henry likes to preach about his anti diving and cheating views so why doesn't he actually practice what he preaches. How come he doesn't get a bad name and other footballers do?

Was it Robbie Fowler who tried to protest to the referee that there shouldn't have been a penalty given to him as he wasn't fouled? Some people can be honest but most, like Henry can't and we'll see the kids copying this soon. Referees are people not machines and they get to see things once and at one angle so lets not blame them 100% for every mistake.

[Big Nev]

I feel that if this had been any country other than one of the "BIG" european nations Fifa would be asking for a replay.

But as Richard Dunne and Robbie Keane said, Fifa got the result they wanted!!

[Dave_G]

Referees are people not machines and they get to see things once and at one angle so lets not blame them 100% for every mistake.

In an ideal world, the referee should have spotted the handball. However, I agree with you, Gina, so perhaps more consideration needs to be given to using video evidence, as they now do in cricket. Whichever way you look at it, the Irish were robbed. This must rank alongside Maradonna's notorious "hand of God" goal that knocked us out of the World Cup. Both were blatant fouls, nothing less.


I feel that if this had been any country other than one of the "BIG" european nations Fifa would be asking for a replay.
But as Richard Dunne and Robbie Keane said, Fifa got the result they wanted!!

Yes, I can't help feeling that the silence from FIFA on the matter is deafening!

[Spidey]

Has FIFA ever asked for a game to be replayed? If so under what circumstances?

[Tewson Veste]

It's only a game. Whats all the fuss about. Now if it were swimming related !

[Spidey]

It's only a game. Whats all the fuss about. Now if it were swimming related !

It would not make the news.

[Gina]

It's only a game. Whats all the fuss about. Now if it were swimming related !

We had uproar in 2005 when Jedrejak (sp?) beat Schipper in the 200 fly at worlds when she touched with one hand. But still no video analysis will be used.

They use it now in rugby to see if it was a try or not, in cricket if it was a lbw, run out, whether it touched the boundry for a 4, they use hawk eye in Tennis to determine whether the ball was in or out. They even use it in Athletics AFTER a race has been run or an event has been completed. Relay teams can be DQed if the video ref sees a runner step outside their lane or out of the box. Why not football?

[Stevie_k]

I have just seen it on the news. Now im a lifelong Arsenal fan, and have been a massive Henry fan for a decade, but this..THIS was the most discracefull display of cheating, and perversion of justice on a football field i have seen since the sickening Diego Maradonna.

The poor irish!!!

Henry knew what he was doing, the stakes could not have been higher, i believe in his desperation to win, he subconciously handballed, then when it was not spotted and the goal was scored he was consumed with guilt.

It was by no means innocent, and by no means an accident.

Henry, you are a DISCRACE to yourself, your country and to football. You are eternally tainted as a footballer and a sportsman to me for the rest of your days you will be remembered for your callous cheating to me and i think for a lot of people.

I despise cheats, and this was one of the worst displays of cheating at the worst time than i have seen for a long time.

SHAME on you Tierry. I hope it was worth it.

[animal0800]

Lets be honest, who has never got away with a sneaky handball in a game ? I played football for 40 years or more, in my younger days at a high level, but if I got away with a sneaky handball I certainly never told the ref, in all my years of playing I've never ever seen a player tell the ref he handballed/pushed a player/tripped someone/scored an offside goal/or got away with someone that he knew was against the rules.....

A little bit of hypocacy all over the papers me thinks....


But I do still v. sorry for the Irish team.

[Stevie_k]

It was still a pretty bloody bad one wasnt it. TV camera's everywhere, incredible amount at stake.

No im not having it. CHEAT!

Its nice that even the French have reacted positively though even if it wont be replayed.

[Taxing]

The only time that FIFA has ordered a game replayed was when the ref made a technical decision wrongly - not seeing something does not come under that category apparently

[Spidey]

Nothing to do with handball - but is to do with football and not worth starting a new thread.

Champions league tables as at today 22/11/09 and teams that have already qualified with 2 games to go?

Group B
Man U 10 points (Q)
Wolfsburg 7
CSKA Moscow 4
Besiktas 1

But in Group H
Arsenal 10 points (No mention of qualified)
Olympiakos 7
Standard Liege 4
AZ Alkmaar 2

Why is it mentioned in the press that Man U have already qualified and Arensal not?

I do understand almost the offside rule, but not the above.

[animal0800]

Nothing to do with handball - but is to do with football and not worth starting a new thread.

Champions league tables as at today 22/11/09 and teams that have already qualified with 2 games to go?

Group B
Man U 10 points (Q)
Wolfsburg 7
CSKA Moscow 4
Besiktas 1

But in Group H
Arsenal 10 points (No mention of qualified)
Olympiakos 7
Standard Liege 4
AZ Alkmaar 2

Why is it mentioned in the press that Man U have already qualified and Arensal not?

I do understand almost the offside rule, but not the above.

Coz, With 2 ganmes to go Standard Leige could still get 10 points and beat Arsenal on Goal difference. O(3points for a win)

[Spidey]

Coz, With 2 ganmes to go Standard Leige could still get 10 points and beat Arsenal on Goal difference. O(3points for a win)

Yes, but could CSKA Moscow do the same?