Arena League - Round 2 (ding ding)

[comeondarlo]

I know Apostle and I are at Enfield, anyone else going?

Also can we attempt to get the scores from each gala up first (again)!

[Apostle]

I know Apostle and I are at Enfield, anyone else going?

Also can we attempt to get the scores from each gala up first (again)!

LOL, don't mess with London, we had the official league results and tables online with 48 hours in the first round.


Good luck to everyone at all the gala's next weekend.

(Except Hatfield) ;)

[BIGBrian]

I'll be at Canterbury in the South Prem Gala. Should be able to put up the scores before we leave for the long drive home!

[GettingFaster]

I know someone put the draws for South Round 2 up somewhere but I can't remember where. Would that lovely person please put them up again so I can have a look to see who's where? Ta.

Edit: Scrap that request, found them on the NSL web site. (Didn't even bother looking there, knowing how tardy it can be most of the time.)

[comeondarlo]

LOL, don't mess with London, we had the official league results and tables online with 48 hours in the first round.


Good luck to everyone at all the gala's next weekend.

(Except Hatfield) ;)

I must admit that I hadn't noticed that detailed results had been posted. It's kept me busy this afternoon looking through them.

PS We don't require luck!

[junior statto]

I'll be at Woking - will be providing live tweets and a final score on Twitter. Will post here as well either at the pool (if wifi) or when I get home.

[junior statto]

Ok we have already established that no-one can collate the results quicker than this forum after the event. But how good are we are predicting the results?

A straw man for the Top 8 of the Premier League (South), in no particular order:
Guildford
Amersham
Beckenham
Royals
Windsor
Bracknell
Oxford
Sevenoaks

[comeondarlo]

Ok we have already established that no-one can collate the results quicker than this forum after the event. But how good are we are predicting the results?

A straw man for the Top 8 of the Premier League (South), in no particular order:
Guildford
Amersham
Beckenham
Royals
Windsor
Bracknell
Oxford
Sevenoaks

Sounds like a good game..........

London prem league

Hatfield
Ipswich
Camden
Ealing
Norwich
Wandsworth
Teddington
Romford but Watford wont be far off

[Apostle]

Sounds like a good game..........

London prem league

Hatfield
Ipswich
Camden
Ealing
Norwich
Wandsworth
Teddington
Romford but Watford wont be far off

Hatfield
Ealing
Camden
Ipswich
Wandsworth
Teddington
Norwich
Romford

[city4nil]

Hatfield
Ealing
Camden
Ipswich
Wandsworth
Teddington
Norwich
Romford

Do you have the latest spreadsheet for result compilation tho....

[Apostle]

Do you have the latest spreadsheet for result compilation tho....

No sorry.

[city4nil]

No sorry.

I have it shud I pdf and post it just to taunt junior

[Apostle]

I have it shud I pdf and post it just to taunt junior

The very fact you have mentioned it will probably drive him mad. But to be honest I know the london league will have sorted the results out on the arena website really quickly and the top 4 will be the top 4.

Thanks for the offer though.

[Taxing]

I have it too

:D

[city4nil]

on a small matter of the rules....

Regarding swimming in lower rounds does anyone have a fleshed out interpretation?

I see round 1 and 2 and then a regional final as round 3 are these all seen 'lower rounds'

so as long as a swimmer swims in round 1,2 or 3 they can ( assuming qualification ) swim in the national final

[comeondarlo]

on a small matter of the rules....

Regarding swimming in lower rounds does anyone have a fleshed out interpretation?

I see round 1 and 2 and then a regional final as round 3 are these all seen 'lower rounds'

so as long as a swimmer swims in round 1,2 or 3 they can ( assuming qualification ) swim in the national final

I was wondering if anyone would mention this.

If a club swims the same four swimmers (in one age group) in all three Regional rounds and qualifies for the National final. What happens if one of those four swimmers are then ill or injured at the time of the National final?

As I read the rules, that club would not be able to swim someone else! Therefore wouldn't be able to 'score' in the said relay.

These new rules mean that a squad system is needed in the early rounds in case of injury later on.

Edit.

btw I agree with your interpretation of early rounds

[BIGBrian]

I was wondering if anyone would mention this.

If a club swims the same four swimmers (in one age group) in all three Regional rounds and qualifies for the National final. What happens if one of those four swimmers are then ill or injured at the time of the National final?

As I read the rules, that club would not be able to swim someone else!

They could obviously swim someone up from one of the younger age groups who had already competed in the earlier rounds. If it were the youngest age group, I suspect they may have a problem with a literal interpretation of the rules, but I would expect that the League would be flexible enough to accept a medical certificate from the swimmer missing from finals day, just as they require for a swimmer to compete at finals day who hasn't previously swum.

[comeondarlo]

They could obviously swim someone up from one of the younger age groups who had already competed in the earlier rounds. If it were the youngest age group, I suspect they may have a problem with a literal interpretation of the rules, but I would expect that the League would be flexible enough to accept a medical certificate from the swimmer missing from finals day, just as they require for a swimmer to compete at finals day who hasn't previously swum.

I see what you're saying but the rule do state that a swimmer MUST have swam in the first three rounds. The medical certificate part of the rule is meant for other circumstances.

[BIGBrian]

I see what you're saying but the rule do state that a swimmer MUST have swam in the first three rounds. The medical certificate part of the rule is meant for other circumstances.

I understand that, and yes rules are there to be upheld, but I think the situation under discussion is just something that wasn't anticipated when the new rule was adopted, rather than being considered and rejected.

Without going through all the league rules in detail, I would expect that there will be some overriding exception clause along the lines of "any situation not covered by the above will be considered at the discretion of....."

In my view, anyone who objected to a club being allowed to bring in a replacement swimmer on that basis would be being churlish. However, I would also expect that someone would look at the replacement swimmer's times and see whether there was any manipulation taking place.

If a club, for example, were to draft in an Olympic standard swimmer as a replacement for their "injured" no show, I would hope that it would be declined. In the situation as described, the replacement for finals day should, all other things being equal, be a swimmer who wasn't considered to be as good in the earlier rounds as the swimmer he or she is replacing.

[Taxiandbank]

I was wondering if anyone would mention this.

If a club swims the same four swimmers (in one age group) in all three Regional rounds and qualifies for the National final. What happens if one of those four swimmers are then ill or injured at the time of the National final?

As I read the rules, that club would not be able to swim someone else! Therefore wouldn't be able to 'score' in the said relay.

These new rules mean that a squad system is needed in the early rounds in case of injury later on.

Edit.

btw I agree with your interpretation of early rounds

In effect you need to swim your entire squad in the first two rounds, because in round three you will need to swim your best team to ensure a good result in the 42 team virtual gala in order to qualify for the a or b national final.

[Bek]

on a small matter of the rules....

Regarding swimming in lower rounds does anyone have a fleshed out interpretation?

I see round 1 and 2 and then a regional final as round 3 are these all seen 'lower rounds'

so as long as a swimmer swims in round 1,2 or 3 they can ( assuming qualification ) swim in the national final

For those interested, the Western League rules have adopted this change: "In the case of the Premier Division only, a swimmer swimming in the finalist gala (Round 3) is only eligible if he or she has swum for the team in either Round 1 or Round 2."

This is ontop of the ... must have swum in R1, R2 or R3 to swim in the National fianalist galas.

Have other League's introduced this?

[city4nil]

I'm in the Northwest Premier and this was really the question, I know we have peeps that are not competing in R1 and R2 they will be recalled for R3 but I was anxious that we might be on the wrong side of the rules.... maybe an email to the local organiser is in order

[BIGBrian]

Anybody going to Bracknell tomorrow? With JS at Woking, and me at Canterbury, someone at Bracknell would have the whole Premier Div covered

[Bully]

Yep I'm at Bracknell's paddling pool ;)

[Judge Dredd]

Anybody going to Bracknell tomorrow? With JS at Woking, and me at Canterbury, someone at Bracknell would have the whole Premier Div covered

Me! In an impartial capacity.

[BIGBrian]

Yep I'm at Bracknell's paddling pool ;)

And without AOE as well.....what fun!

[BIGBrian]

Me! In an impartial capacity.

Ah yes, so you are. That will teach me to pay more attention to the list. I plead mitigation in being thrown by the speeling mistook....

[turtleswim]

Im at Bracknell as well ! See you there ...

[chris_lamb]

I'll be at Waterlooville for Div 1 Gala 2.

[taxi service]

There will be a few swimclubbers at Woking.

[Bully]

And without AOE as well.....what fun!
I'm on poolside, so I'm more concerned with being able to find somewhere to stand :fingers:

[Judge Dredd]

Ah yes, so you are. That will teach me to pay more attention to the list. I plead mitigation in being thrown by the speeling mistook....

The story of my life.

[Judge Dredd]

I'm on poolside, so I'm more concerned with being able to find somewhere to stand :fingers:

Me too - on both counts.

[BIGBrian]

Alas, had to give tonight's Canterbury gala a miss in the end, due to a rampant case of Salmonella kicking in in the last 24 hours. The prospect of 2hours on a coach with no toilet wasn't a pretty one.

I believe awaldram is there though, so should still get prompt results from there (although he lost his gearbox on the way there, so he's coming back on the coach!)

[Silver Fox]

Anyone at the Macclesfield Gala...please let me know the result as I was unable to attend...many thanks SF

[Apostle]

Comeondarlo's having fun!!!

[BIGBrian]

Final scores from Prem South at Canterbury

Beckenham 189
Rushmoor 182
Sevenoaks 161
Canterbury 109
Basingstoke 105

[BIGBrian]

Final scores from Prem South at Woking

Guildford 215.5
Bracknell 153.5
Woking 139
Thanet 128
Epsom 111

No results yet from Bracknell, but barring an upset there, (Staines would need to beat Oxford by 20 points) it looks like the 8 teams in the Championship gala will be

Guildford
Beckenham
Amersham
Rushmoor
Bracknell
Windsor
Sevenoaks
Oxford

with the relegation gala containing

Woking
Thanet
Epsom
Staines
Basingstoke
Canterbury
Wycombe

Only one team to go down, so everything to play for!

[Apostle]

Results from london div 1 at enfield

Hatfield 364
Ipswich 289
Teddington 262
Watford 239
Wandsworth 223
Colcheste. 161
rSutton 134
Anaconda. 130

[Judge Dredd]

Prem South at Bracknell

Amersham 185
Windsor 182
Oxford 159
Staines 138
Wycombe 85

[BIGBrian]

Excellent!

So indeed that leaves the standings after R2 in Prem South as

Guildford 204 5 215.5 5 419.5 10
Beckenham 199 5 189 5 388 10
Amersham 183 5 185 5 368 10
Windsor 197 4 182 4 379 8
Rushmoor 160 4 182 4 342 8
Bracknell 163 4 153.5 4 316.5 8
Oxford 151 3 159 3 310 6
Sevenoaks 144 3 161 3 305 6
Staines 131 2 138 2 269 4
Woking 129 1 139 3 268 4
Thanet 132 2 128 2 260 4
Epsom 124 3 111 1 235 4
Basingstoke 116 2 105 1 221 3
Canterbury 100 1 109 2 209 3
Wycombe 113 1 85 1 198 2

[taxi service]

Final scores from Prem South at Woking

Guildford 215.5
Bracknell 153.5
Woking 139
Thanet 128
Epsom 111


Sorry, you have the results slightly wrong.
Guildford 215.5
Bracknell 154.5
Woking 140
Thanet 124
Epsom 112

One event was re-scored as Thanet fielded an ineligible swimmer. These were the final results on the night.

[BIGBrian]

Sorry, you have the results slightly wrong.
Guildford 215.5
Bracknell 154.5
Woking 140
Thanet 124
Epsom 112

One event was re-scored as Thanet fielded an ineligible swimmer. These were the final results on the night.

Ah, thanks for that. Doesn't seem to affect the final standings though

Revised

Guildford 204 5 215.5 5 419.5 10
Beckenham 199 5 189 5 388 10
Amersham 183 5 185 5 368 10
Windsor 197 4 182 4 379 8
Rushmoor 160 4 182 4 342 8
Bracknell 163 4 154.5 4 317.5 8
Oxford 151 3 159 3 310 6
Sevenoaks 144 3 161 3 305 6
Staines 131 2 138 2 269 4
Woking 129 1 140 3 269 4
Thanet 132 2 124 2 256 4
Epsom 124 3 112 1 236 4
Basingstoke 116 2 105 1 221 3
Canterbury 100 1 109 2 209 3
Wycombe 113 1 85 1 198 2

[taxi service]

Is it definitely an 8 team promotion gala and a 7 team relegation gala for South Premier?

[BIGBrian]

Is it definitely an 8 team promotion gala and a 7 team relegation gala for South Premier?

So I was told. It wouldn't make any sense to put 5 teams into a 50m 8 lane pool like K2. No atmosphere. Last I heard they were looking for an 8 lane pool for the second gala. Guildford or Maidenhead look favourites, but it depends what they need elsewhere

The K2 gala will be licensed too.

[Cordwangle]

NW premier gala 2 at Macclesfield

Preston-351
Liverpool-338
Cockermouth-265
Satellite -210
Carnforth-204
Chester-151
Trafford-142
Barrow-132

[johnhy]

Alas, had to give tonight's Canterbury gala a miss in the end, due to a rampant case of Salmonella kicking in in the last 24 hours. The prospect of 2hours on a coach with no toilet wasn't a pretty one.

I believe awaldram is there though, so should still get prompt results from there (although he lost his gearbox on the way there, so he's coming back on the coach!)

Get well soon - came to say to say hello at end to find you were ill (from one of your team helpers). You would have survived the gala if not the Coach trip - all over in 1 hr 48 mins.

[Cordwangle]

NW Premier gala 1 at Blackpool


CITY OF SALFORD - 302
STOCKPORT METRO - 298
SOUTHPORT - 283
WARRINGTON - 276
ELLESMERE - 190
ULVESTON - 188
CARLISLE - 134
PIONEER - 130

[comeondarlo]

NW Premier gala 1 at Blackpool


CITY OF SALFORD - 302
STOCKPORT METRO - 298
SOUTHPORT - 283
WARRINGTON - 276
ELLESMERE - 190
ULVESTON - 188
CARLISLE - 134
PIONEER - 130


That's a good result for Salford!
Did Stockport have a weakened team out?

[Silver Fox]

Well done Preston!

[comeondarlo]

Comeondarlo's having fun!!!

Was I, how can you tell?

[BIGBrian]

Get well soon - came to say to say hello at end to find you were ill (from one of your team helpers). You would have survived the gala if not the Coach trip - all over in 1 hr 48 mins.

Yes, seems to have been managed very well by Canterbury....congrats all round.

Hope to see you another time

[awaldram]

So I was told. It wouldn't make any sense to put 5 teams into a 50m 8 lane pool like K2. No atmosphere. Last I heard they were looking for an 8 lane pool for the second gala. Guildford or Maidenhead look favourites, but it depends what they need elsewhere

The K2 gala will be licensed too.

how many lane Wycombe got ? could be run 50m to. :)

[BIGBrian]

how many lane Wycombe got ? could be run 50m to. :)

Only 6 lanes at Wycombe
but yes additional LC venues like Aldershot and Portsmouth are potentially available Even K2 if they can get the pooltime. Western often do more than one gala at the same venue

[bluewater]

Arena League
Western Premier

Millfield 258
Poole 228
Swansea 180
Somerset Cheetahs 157
Keynsham 118
Yeovil 109

[50 Freestyler]

Midlands Div 1 @ Nuneaton

1. Coventry 246
2. Leicester Penguins 238
3. Leicester Sharks 157
4. Nuneaton 156
5. Hereford 127
6. Redditch 125

[Apostle]

Was I, how can you tell?

I am the Apostle :)

Congrats to Hatfield last night who were super on the night and hot favourites to win the London League this year.

[comeondarlo]

Arena League
Western Premier

Millfield 258
Poole 228
Swansea 180
Somerset Cheetahs 157
Keynsham 118
Yeovil 109

That's tough gala!

Interesting finishing order!

[junior statto]

Sorry, you have the results slightly wrong.
Guildford 215.5
Bracknell 154.5
Woking 140
Thanet 124
Epsom 112

One event was re-scored as Thanet fielded an ineligible swimmer. These were the final results on the night.

The result is based on a protest which I think will be upheld. One of the swimmers swam up an age group in 2 events. I'm not familiar with the rules but I believe you can only swim up an age group in 1 event.

[Apostle]

The result is based on a protest which I think will be upheld. One of the swimmers swam up an age group in 2 events. I'm not familiar with the rules but I believe you can only swim up an age group in 1 event.

I believe that to be correct.

2 in own age group and 1 up.

[Noswimdad]

The result is based on a protest which I think will be upheld. One of the swimmers swam up an age group in 2 events. I'm not familiar with the rules but I believe you can only swim up an age group in 1 event.

The key piece of the Rules (South Division) is:

25 Limitation of swims
25(a) Premier Division. The restriction of swims in the Premier Division of the NASLS
shall be in accord with conditions agreed at the National Arena League ACM.
Competitors may swim in 3 individual events. Swimmers in age groups other than the
open age group may swim 2 events in their own age group and 1 in an upper age group

In this case an Age Group Swimmer swam two events in the Open category.

[BIGBrian]

Part of the confusion can stem from the fact that Open isn't Open at all.....it's 16 and over so counts as swimming up

[Cordwangle]

That's a good result for Salford!
Did Stockport have a weakened team out?

Wasn't at that gala but I guess the big guns weren't swimming.
Fran swam for Liverpool in gala 2 so I'm not quite sure whether swimmers have to swim in round 1 or 2 or can just come in at round 3 to be able to swim in the national finals.
Preston look very strong but it can be a bit deceptive as other teams try out most of their swimmers before picking the best team for round 3.

[junior statto]

Part of the confusion can stem from the fact that Open isn't Open at all.....it's 16 and over so counts as swimming up

In the end made no difference to the result on the night or indeed the table placings. No harm done but lesson learnt.

[Apostle]

Part of the confusion can stem from the fact that Open isn't Open at all.....it's 16 and over so counts as swimming up

Brian,

I don't think thats correct. As far as I can see the age groups are 11/u, 13/u 15/u and open.

Nowhere in the london rules does it say that you have to be 16 and over to swim in the open races.

[comeondarlo]

Wasn't at that gala but I guess the big guns weren't swimming.
Fran swam for Liverpool in gala 2 so I'm not quite sure whether swimmers have to swim in round 1 or 2 or can just come in at round 3 to be able to swim in the national finals.
Preston look very strong but it can be a bit deceptive as other teams try out most of their swimmers before picking the best team for round 3.

That could the teams reading the rules as I do. Therefore making sure that they have subs available for the National A or B final

[comeondarlo]

I am the Apostle :)

Congrats to Hatfield last night who were super on the night and hot favourites to win the London League this year.


You followed me all night! What's that make me?

Cheers btw, it could be a very good year for us tbh

[BIGBrian]

Brian,

I don't think thats correct. As far as I can see the age groups are 11/u, 13/u 15/u and open.

Nowhere in the london rules does it say that you have to be 16 and over to swim in the open races.

You don't have to be 14 or 15 to swim in the 15/u group either...you can swim up from younger. It's called Open but if it truly was Open anyone of any age could swim without it counting as a swim up. Its 16 and over in everything except name

[Apostle]

You don't have to be 14 or 15 to swim in the 15/u group either...you can swim up from younger. It's called Open but if it truly was Open anyone of any age could swim without it counting as a swim up. Its 16 and over in everything except name

If it was 16 and over younger age groups would not be able to swim in it and there are plenty that do (have to) so why not count it as a swim up?

[BIGBrian]

If it was 16 and over younger age groups would not be able to swim in it

Why not? It would be a swim up just as it is now anyway

[Apostle]

Why not? It would be a swim up just as it is now anyway

Because 16 & over is not open.

[Judge Dredd]

Because 16 & over is not open.

Indeed. If Open is defined as just that (i.e. open to anyone) then there is no "swimming up" into it. However, same applies to other age groups - e.g. an 11 year-old is still within 15/U, so there is no "swimming up" at all.

Maybe it would be easier if "open" were "16/O".

[Judge Dredd]

Having seen the South Premier nicely sorted, anyone got results from the other galas - would be nice to see who's pushing to go up.

[Judge Dredd]

Maybe it would be easier if "open" were "16/O".

Or if "11/U" was "10&11", "13/U" was "12&13" and "15/U" was "14&15".

[Judge Dredd]

Note to self: Stop replying to self.

[Apostle]

Indeed. If Open is defined as just that (i.e. open to anyone) then there is no "swimming up" into it. However, same applies to other age groups - e.g. an 11 year-old is still within 15/U, so there is no "swimming up" at all.

Maybe it would be easier if "open" were "16/O".

Then the 15/u group would only have two races to swim in rather than three at present, if required.

That means changing the rules again.

Would it help if they called it the 100/u age group?

[Apostle]

Or if "11/U" was "10&11", "13/U" was "12&13" and "15/U" was "14&15".

Maybe, but thats not how Arena works and it would wreck some teams ability to put a team out.

[Apostle]

Was anybody at the other london league div 1 gala and knows the results?

Gina??

[comeondarlo]

Was anybody at the other london league div 1 gala and knows the results?

Gina??

I can't believe that she doesn't look in occasionally, especially when the Arena League is on!

[50 Freestyler]

Or any Midlands Div 1 results?

I have the results from nuneaton and the results from the gala involving city of Derby. Neeed the results from the other 2!

[BIGBrian]

Maybe, but thats not how Arena works and it would wreck some teams ability to put a team out.

Only if you take 14/15 as meaning that you can only swim swimmers of those ages. It would be trivially easy to include in the regulations that swimmers can swim up in a higher age group (which they do)

[Apostle]

Only if you take 14/15 as meaning that you can only swim swimmers of those ages. It would be trivially easy to include in the regulations that swimmers can swim up in a higher age group (which they do)

How was I supposed to read the Judge's comments if not that way?

I just feel there no ambiguity in the rules as they stand and everyone should know what they can do. And swimming in two open races from one of the younger age groups is not allowed.

[Apostle]

Results from London League div 1 meet at UEH sportsvillage

ealing 336
camden 334
Norwich 262
Romford 243
Edmonton 229
Shiverers 182
B Stortford 135
GBM 80

[LondonBoy]

Was anybody at the other london league div 1 gala and knows the results?

Gina??

Ealing
Camden
Norwich
Romford
Edmonton

Great gala ... No points but that's the order I think. Great atmosphere with some great swims!

[comeondarlo]

Results from London League div 1 meet at UEH sportsvillage

ealing 336
camden 334
Norwich 262
Romford 243
Edmonton 229
Shiverers 182
B Stortford 135
GBM 80

Where did you get them from?

Very tight between Ealing and Camden

[Apostle]

Team R1 R2 Total R1 R2 Bonus Total
Hatfield 364 364 728 8 8 20 36
Camden 327 334 661 8 7 20 35
Ealing 319 336 655 7 8 20 35
Teamipswich 306 289 595 7 7 20 34
UEA Norwich 284 262 546 6 6 20 32
Teddington 241 262 503 6 6 20 32
Romford Town 228 243 471 5 5 20 30
Wandsworth 245 223 468 5 4 20 29
Watford 226 239 465 4 5 0 9
Shiverers 180 182 362 4 4 0 8
Edmonton Phoenix 204 229 433 3 3 0 6
Colchester 163 161 324 3 3 0 6
Bishops Stortford 152 135 287 2 2 0 4
Sutton & Cheam 142 134 276 2 2 0 4
Anaconda 139 130 269 1 1 0 2
GBM 71 80 151 1 1 0 2

Predicted London League table after two rounds.

Apologies if formatting does not come out too well.

[Apostle]

Where did you get them from?

Very tight between Ealing and Camden

My sources are many :)

[Judge Dredd]

How was I supposed to read the Judge's comments if not that way?

I just feel there no ambiguity in the rules as they stand and everyone should know what they can do. And swimming in two open races from one of the younger age groups is not allowed.

The fact that there seemed to be a difference of interpretation of Open between yourself and BB suggested to me that there was ambiguity. For what it's worth, I've always understood Open to be effectively 16+ (i.e. a 15 year-old in an open event would be swimming up), which I think is right. The use of the word Open does, however, potentially imply something different.

[BIGBrian]

Results from South Div 2 West gala at Guildford

Reading 229
Eastleigh 203
Basingstoke B 188
Wey Valley 142
Worthing 139
West Wight 138

[Cordwangle]

NW premier after round 2


After the 2 Rounds the overall league table is as follows:

697 - Preston
670 - City of Liverpool
634 - City of Salford
638 - Stockport Metro
555 - Warriors of Warrington
527 - Southport
415 - Cockermouth
413 - Carnforth Otters
413 - Satellite of Macclesfield
385 - Ellesmere College Titans
363 – Ulverston
319 - City of Chester
304 - City of Carlisle
290 - Pioneer 79
245 - Trafford Metro
244 - Barrow

[BIGBrian]

South Prem Canterbury gala

Rushmoor Royals have advised today that they inadvertently swam a swimmer in 3 individual events in the same age category, so the swimmer has been DQd from the last of those 3 events, which the swimmer actually won.

Well done to Rushmoor for doing the right thing in bringing it to the league's attention

Revised points totals for the gala

Beckenham A 190
Rushmoor Royal 177
Sevenoaks A 162
City of Canterbury 110
Basingstoke Bluefins A 106

This doesn't change the gala positioning or the overall division standings after two rounds. although does obviously change the overall gala points totals

Guildford 204 5 215.5 5 419.5 10
Beckenham 199 5 190 5 389 10
Amersham 183 5 185 5 368 10
Windsor 197 4 182 4 379 8
Rushmoor 160 4 177 4 337 8
Bracknell 163 4 154.5 4 317.5 8
Oxford 151 3 159 3 310 6
Sevenoaks 144 3 162 3 306 6
Staines 131 2 138 2 269 4
Woking 129 1 140 3 269 4
Thanet 132 2 124 2 256 4
Epsom 124 3 112 1 236 4
Basingstoke 116 2 106 1 222 3
Canterbury 100 1 110 2 210 3
Wycombe 113 1 85 1 198 2

[BIGBrian]

Having seen the South Premier nicely sorted, anyone got results from the other galas - would be nice to see who's pushing to go up.

Just got sight of these:

Div 1 West

City of Southampton 12
Brighton 12
Guildford City B 11
Maidenhead Marlins 11
Mid Sussex Marlins 10
Newbury 10
Kingston Royals 8
Winchester City Penguins 8
Chesham 7
Havant & Waterlooville 6
Farnham 5
Chalfont Otters 5
Littlehampton 4
Hart 3
Tilehurst 3
Alton & District 3
Fareham Nomads 2

With two to go up. Guildford B are fighting to get back to back promotions to get into the Premier Division with Guildford A, and they only finished one point behind Brighton in the first round gala

Div 1 East

Dover Lifeguards 12
Chelmsford 11
Croydon Amphibians 11
Black Lion 11
Bromley 11
Atlantis 10
RTW Monson 8
Crawley 7
Hastings Seagulls 7
Elmbridge Phoenix 7
Orpington Ojays 6
Gravesend & Northfleet 4
East Grinstead 4
Beckenham B 4
Maidstone 3
Dartford & District 2
White Oaks 2

The promotion gala there is going to have the top 6 teams in it, and 5 of them have got 11 out of 12 points or better, and with double league points in R3, Atlantis are still very much in the mix, so that's going to be really right

[400IMer]

Or any Midlands Div 1 results?

I have the results from nuneaton and the results from the gala involving city of Derby. Neeed the results from the other 2!

Boldmere 261
Stourbridge 183
Worcester 166
Leamington 154
Wolverhampton 146
Braunstone 134
(according to Stourbridge website).

How did you guys do?

[city4nil]

Just got sight of these:

Div 1 West

City of Southampton 12
Brighton 12
Guildford City B 11
Maidenhead Marlins 11
Mid Sussex Marlins 10
Newbury 10
Kingston Royals 8
Winchester City Penguins 8
Chesham 7
Havant & Waterlooville 6
Farnham 5
Chalfont Otters 5
Littlehampton 4
Hart 3
Tilehurst 3
Alton & District 3
Fareham Nomads 2

With two to go up. Guildford B are fighting to get back to back promotions to get into the Premier Division with Guildford A, and they only finished one point behind Brighton in the first round gala

Div 1 East

Dover Lifeguards 12
Chelmsford 11
Croydon Amphibians 11
Black Lion 11
Bromley 11
Atlantis 10
RTW Monson 8
Crawley 7
Hastings Seagulls 7
Elmbridge Phoenix 7
Orpington Ojays 6
Gravesend & Northfleet 4
East Grinstead 4
Beckenham B 4
Maidstone 3
Dartford & District 2
White Oaks 2

The promotion gala there is going to have the top 6 teams in it, and 5 of them have got 11 out of 12 points or better, and with double league points in R3, Atlantis are still very much in the mix, so that's going to be really right

Aren't promotions sorted after round 3 - Doesn't round 3 work as a fresh start in terms of points so that point actually in R3 acts as the final league result.

How are dead heats in terms of points sorted, In NW prem provisional results 8 teams go to the A R3 and 8 to the B R3, 2 teams came 8th after 2 rounds.

[BIGBrian]

Aren't promotions sorted after round 3 - Doesn't round 3 work as a fresh start in terms of points so that point actually in R3 acts as the final league result.

How are dead heats in terms of points sorted, In NW prem provisional results 8 teams go to the A R3 and 8 to the B R3, 2 teams came 8th after 2 rounds.


In South league points scored in R3 are added to the existing totals...so you can win R3 but not be champions
Each region can sort dead heats how the choose.....in South they would split on the basis of cumulative gala points after two rounds

[Taxing]

Have full arena results for Saturday

Will attach once in suitable format!

[Taxing]

Sorted (well ish

Also have all league tables if desired

[50 Freestyler]

Boldmere 261
Stourbridge 183
Worcester 166
Leamington 154
Wolverhampton 146
Braunstone 134
(according to Stourbridge website).

How did you guys do?

We did ok. Had a really tough draw with leicester and Coventry. Everyone was basically racing for 3rd! Going to struggle until we get some 13/u's!

Coventry 246
Leicester Penguins 238
Leicester Sharks 157
Nuneaton 156
Hereford 127
Redditch 125

How did you get on? Promotion on the cards?

[400IMer]

We did ok. Had a really tough draw with leicester and Coventry. Everyone was basically racing for 3rd! Going to struggle until we get some 13/u's!

Coventry 246
Leicester Penguins 238
Leicester Sharks 157
Nuneaton 156
Hereford 127
Redditch 125

How did you get on? Promotion on the cards?

Looked a toughy! No promotion this year for us (ah well...) only heard some of the points:

1st Leicester Pen B
2nd Biddulph 201
3rd Ledbury 177
4th Kingsbury 175
5th Rykneld
6th Haden Hill

See you next weekend

[calvo]

Boldmere 261
Stourbridge 183
Worcester 166
Leamington 154
Wolverhampton 146
Braunstone 134
(according to Stourbridge website).

How did you guys do?

West mids division 1 gala 4 @ hucknall
1. Calverton & Bingham 237
2. Chase 197
3. City of Coventry B 197
4. Derby Phoenix 145
5. Stratford sharks 139
6. Northgate 131

Chase had more first places than cov.

[50 Freestyler]

West mids division 1 gala 4 @ hucknall
1. Calverton & Bingham 237
2. Chase 197
3. City of Coventry B 197
4. Derby Phoenix 145
5. Stratford sharks 139
6. Northgate 131

Chase had more first places than cov.

Ok, i have all the results. If i understand the ridiculously complicated way of calculating the table/rounds, these should be the next round draws:

Top Gala Gala 2 Gala 3 Gala 4
Stourbridge Calverton Nuneaton Derby Phoenix
Coventry A Chase Halesowen Stratford Sharks
Boldmere Coventry B Leamington Spa Braunstone
City of Derby Wyre Forest Leek Northgate
Leicester Penguins Worcester Wolverhampton Hereford
Long Eaton Leicester Sharks Gloucester Redditch

[city4nil]

Full NW results now confirmed

We somehow got lane 6 again, which is cool as it comes with no other jobs ( doors, refreshments, announcer etc )

Could you run me throughhow to attach a sinple pdf and I'll publish them please Taxing ta

[city4nil]

attached:

Sunday finals :

4451

Saturday Finals :

4450

[junior statto]

Just got sight of these:


With two to go up. Guildford B are fighting to get back to back promotions to get into the Premier Division with Guildford A, and they only finished one point behind Brighton in the first round gala



Brian, does the rules allow for 2 teams from the same club in the Premier Division? Maybe I am just getting confused with Kent Junior League or just confused!

[BIGBrian]

Brian, does the rules allow for 2 teams from the same club in the Premier Division? Maybe I am just getting confused with Kent Junior League or just confused!

Doesnt seem to be excluded from what I can see. The rules anticipate that they may compete in the same gala and says that swimmers may not interchange between teams.....doesn't seem to differentiate between Prem and other divisions

[400IMer]

If anyone knows of any other round 2 midlands results could you please post them up. Many thanks

[DaveCheshire]

Anyone at the Macclesfield Gala...please let me know the result as I was unable to attend...many thanks SF

Preston 351 Liverpool 338 Cmouth 265 Satellites 210
Carnforth 204 Chester 151 Trafford 142 Barrow 132

[DaveCheshire]

Round 2 results north west div 1 prov adjusted points in brackets

Crewe 188 (219 )
Ramsbottom 146 (170)
Fleetwood 145 (169)
Blackburn 141 (165)
Buckley 117 (137)

Winsford 205
Blackpool 200
Everton 185
Hoylake 167
Warrington 162
Garston 121

Salford gala result tbc

Top Six - Alsager Crewe Winsford Warrington Blackpool Everton - final at Bury

[city4nil]

Round 2 results north west div 1 prov adjusted points in brackets

Crewe 188 (219 )
Ramsbottom 146 (170)
Fleetwood 145 (169)
Blackburn 141 (165)
Buckley 117 (137)

Winsford 205
Blackpool 200
Everton 185
Hoylake 167
Warrington 162
Garston 121

Salford gala result tbc

Top Six - Alsager Crewe Winsford Warrington Blackpool Everton - final at Bury

My earlier post has all the NW results including the lane draws for the final

I will attach again4453

enjoy

[typhoon]

East midland Div 1

Cambridge 241
Rushden 185
Bramcote 176
Modernian 174
W.Norfolk 152
St Ives 112

[Noswimdad]

Guess this is provisional and subject to confirmation.

[Taxing]

Same list I have

[BIGBrian]

Same list I have

I believe they do send the same list to everyone :flash:

There's an error in the start times for the Div 2 gala at Maidenhead...warm up should be 6:30 for a 6:50 start