European Juniors 2005 team

[Gina]

The European Junior Championships squad:

Chris Alderton (Durham Aquatics)
James Batley (Millfield)
Mark Branch (REN 96)
Ross Clark (Co Dundee)
James Clarke (Millfield)
Ed Downes (Maxwell)
Craig Elliott (Cockermouth)
Daniel Fogg (Bo Waltham Forest)
Thomas Haffield (City of Cardiff)
Scott Houston (Stirling Swim)
Mark McKenna (City of Manchester Aquatics)
Robbie Renwick (City of Aberdeen)
Lewis Smith (Warrender)
Liam Smith (City of Leeds)

Rebecca Adlington (Nova Centurian)
Jazmin Carlin (Tigersharks)
Jessica Dickons (Borough of Stockton)
Natalie Durant (Ealing)
Rachel Gatford (Beckenham)
Rachael George (Hatfield)
Julie Gould (Guildford City)
Francesca Halsall (City of Liverpool)
Jemma Lowe (Borough of Stockton)
Hannah Miley (City of Glasgow)
Hollie O'Connor (Kingston upon Hull)
Sarah Owen (Portsmouth Northsea)
Chloe Ross (Beckenham)
Stacey Tadd (University of Bath)
Katy Whitfield (Stockport Metro)


It's good to see a bunch of swimmers from the South and especially London. :)

[GettingFaster]

...It's good to see a bunch of swimmers from the South and especially London. :)
There aren't that many from the south, even fewer boys than girls. Any suggestions why?

[Gina]

I remember when I went in 2000 and I was the only person from London! I think there were 4 of us from the South (all girls) - and I didn't know any of them :(

Someone mentioned that the water up north is harder than down south so maybe they have to work harder in training?! Joking. I think this has been mentioned before and I reckon its to do with cost of pools etc. I pay around £450 for upto 12 hours of swimming time and an hour of gym, thats after being helped by the council too!

[lane4]

Readers should note that 21% of the team hail from Scotland, clearly a larger percentage than one should expect in terms of relative population - an indication of the higher standard of coaching up here perhaps? ;) :p :devil:

[Nevilles polish]

Readers should note that 21% of the team hail from Scotland, clearly a larger percentage than one should expect in terms of relative population - an indication of the higher standard of coaching up here perhaps? ;) :p :devil:

Scotland, as far as I know have a decent junior structure which does not exist in England. camps for juniors and youths, with obtainable squad times which are there for all to see. This culminating in sending a team to the commonwealth Youth Championships where England did'nt even bother. this attitude gives hope to a large amount of swimmers which simply does not exist south of the border.

[Linny]

Congratulations are in order to all the swimmers who have qualified and been selected - wherever you are from.

[Katie]

Ooh that confused me Linny!! I can't cope with a change of name! :)

Lane4, I'm sure it's due to better coaching up there. No doubt!!

[Linny]

Ooh that confused me Linny!! I can't cope with a change of name! :) !!
Oh blast I thought I might get away with it :music:

[GettingFaster]

You left the "Zippy Livertush" subtitle, it's a bit of a give-away!

[KatieBun]

You left the "Zippy Livertush" subtitle, it's a bit of a give-away!
Now don't assume, GF! It may just be a tiny coincidence! Hello Linny, welcome to the forums. :devil:

[GettingFaster]

Welcome? Pardon? Joining date June 02? Come off it KB, our 'new' friend has been on here longer than we have! Ok, so I'll acknowledge the facelift but let's be real here.

And before anyone has a go about threads being hijacked, I'm very sorry. And I reckon someone else could possibly be being a little less than modest in praise of Scottish coaching, eh, Mr 2+2? Well done for your swimmer, I bet you're very proud of their achievement.

[wendy]

Is Mr 3+1 going to Hungary with his swimmer? Am I the only one on this forum who does not know you?

[wendy]

Oh blast I thought I might get away with it :music:

Pathetic attempt to fool us!! ;)
You can run but you can't hide!! :settee:

[Yip Yip!!]

Racing outdoors should be interesting.

[lane4]

Is Mr 3+1 going to Hungary with his swimmer? Am I the only one on this forum who does not know you?

Its a lovely place is Budapest so I'll see what I can do about going there again.
I am certain there are others among the 1506 forum members who don't know me, not just you.

[wendy]

that's good, would hate to be the only one! Safety in numbers and all that!!! :rolleyes: anyway moving on, will respect your right to anonymity :)

[Katie]

Well done Yip Yip!! When I went in 2002 it was outdoors in Austria, and a little bit dodgy with the weather every now and then, but stil reeeeeeeally good! :)

[bean]

2 of the boys on the EJ team will have had some recent outdoor pool training and competition experience when they depart with the Senior National Event Camp - Men's 200m freestyle team to Phoenix, Arizona on 8th May and then competing at the 2005 Speedo Grand Challenge in Irvine, California, returning on 30th May.
Also, many of the girls have trained and competed outdoors on various camps during this season.

[Bazza]

21% from Scotland if you round it up! :p

There are quite alot from the south actually - out of 29 swimmers I make it 7/8 from southern counties (are Maxwell in southern counties?) and 4 from the south west. So if you take out the 6 from Scotland that only leaves 11 from the midlands and the north!

[wendy]

I don't think Maxwell are from Southern Counties!

[Taxiandbank]

Maxwell are Midlands

[Beanmachine]

All about the 4x200 fr boys!!! Going for Gold!! Yip Yip, to Yip Yip!!!

[Graham Wardell]

Readers should note that 21% of the team hail from Scotland, clearly a larger percentage than one should expect in terms of relative population - an indication of the higher standard of coaching up here perhaps? ;) :p :devil:

I think the standard is pretty good down south too!!!! It looks like a great team, hope they have as much fun as we did last year (and the same success or better!)!

[Swimhelper]

21% from Scotland if you round it up! :p

There are quite alot from the south actually - out of 29 swimmers I make it 7/8 from southern counties (are Maxwell in southern counties?) and 4 from the south west. So if you take out the 6 from Scotland that only leaves 11 from the midlands and the north!

Maxwell are Midlands at the moment and will be South East after regionalisation. :)

[GermanSwimmer]

All about the 4x200 fr boys!!! Going for Gold!! Yip Yip, to Yip Yip!!!

don´t want to disappoint someone but Germany will win the 4x200 fr
:king:

[bean]

don´t want to disappoint someone but Germany will win the 4x200 fr
:king:

Sounds like it's going to be a good one to watch then, we're not giving up hope yet!!! (we have three members of the British mens 4x200 free relay training squad in this European Junior Team)

[Taxiandbank]

don´t want to disappoint someone but Germany will win the 4x200 fr
:king:
see
http://www.swimrankings.net/index.php?page=rankingSelect

Germany wins by 2.5 seconds (on paper!) ;)

[GermanSwimmer]

yes I think our squad is very good this year
but we´ll see in a month :)

[Taxiandbank]

Good luck to the team flying out today :)
TandB

[kingofthepool]

is there a website for the european juniors?

[wendy]

Try www.musz.hu
But I think British swimming is putting in a link :)

[KJ89]

Jordan Tomlinson has taken the place of Rebecca Adlington who had to withdraw for health reasons

[Taxiandbank]

Jordan Tomlinson has taken the place of Rebecca Adlington who had to withdraw for health reasons
According to British Swimming website she has changed clubs.
"Stacey Tadd (University of Bath), Jordan Tomlinson (Lincoln Pentaqua), Katy Whitfield (Stockport Metro)."
Has anyone told Graham?
TandB :clear:

[wendy]

According to British Swimming website she has changed clubs.
"Stacey Tadd (University of Bath), Jordan Tomlinson (Lincoln Pentaqua), Katy Whitfield (Stockport Metro)."
Has anyone told Graham?
TandB :clear:
Hungarian for Vulcan?

[KJ89]

According to British Swimming website she has changed clubs.
"Stacey Tadd (University of Bath), Jordan Tomlinson (Lincoln Pentaqua), Katy Whitfield (Stockport Metro)."
Has anyone told Graham?
TandB :clear:
has anyone told her??? she was at training on sunday! :p

[Phil Tanner]

Tom Haffield second in the 400 IM, 4.24.65.

:)

[crawler]

It looks like lots of successful qualifiers, some scraping in to semis in 16th but getting another swim.
I see that Lewis Smith qualified 4th in 400IM and Hannah Miley looks strong in the 400IM. Good 200 Fly swims so a promising start - medals shown against first 3 qualifiers confused me somewhat!

[crawler]

The morning session has just finished with the girls 4x200 Free and GB topping the qualifiers by 3 secs.
No boys 4x100 Free team seemingly.

[ruthcp]

Results of morning sessions here
http://www.msecm.at/events/budapest05/results_part1.pdf

Francesca Halsall 57.22 to qualify for 100m free, Jemma Lowe and Jessica Dickons 2.13 in 200m fly ( :shocking: ) also qualify!!!!

[KJ89]

Results from the finals session day 1

Finals
SILVER - Womens 400 IM - Hannah Miley - 4.47.47
BRONZE - Womens 200 Fly - Jessica Dickons - 2.12.28
BRONZE - Mens 400 IM - Thomas Haffield - 4.21.75
BRONZE - Womens 4x200 Free Relay (Fran Halsall, Jazmin Carlin, Natalie Durant, Rachael George) - 8.15.46
4th - Womens 200 Fly - Jemma Lowe - 2.13.57
4th - Womens 400 IM - Stacey Tadd - 4.49.82
5th - Mens 200 Free - Robbie Renwick - 1.52.40
5th - Mens 400 IM - Lewis Smith - 4.27.72

Semis
1st - Womens 100 Free - Fran Halsall - 56.53
8th - Womens 100 Back - Hollie O'Conner - 1.05.46
10th - Mens 100 Breast - Ross Clark - 1.04.27
14th - Mens 100 Breast - Craig Elliot - 1.05.05
16th - Womens 100 Back - Sarah Owen - 1.07.45

[Tara]

Ouch to the 48.8 from one of the Germans in the mens relay final! Thats quick!

[Bazza]

Fantastic swim from Hannah Miley there - I don't think they officially keep British Junior Records any more but she beat Sarah Hardcastle's time from 1984 by 4 seconds!! Which means of course Stacey Tadd also deserves a mention for being two seconds under that old time as well. Top swimming from Thomas Haffield too - maybe the 400 IM could become a bit more of an event for us after many barren years.

Elsewhere I noticed a couple of very impressive 1:49s in the mens 200 free including one from Portugal (!) and a German lad splitting 48 in the relay - the Swedish team must be kicking themselves after winning by nearly a second and getting DQd for a flyer.

[Top10ranking]

where in the schmoe was James Clarke in the 400free? doesnt he go 3.56?

[Linny]

where in the schmoe was James Clarke in the 400free? doesnt he go 3.56?It is a shame isn't it.....but..... he didn't go 3.56 at the trials and that was when it counted.
PS I don't think that is a very nice word Matt.

[Top10ranking]

It is a shame isn't it.....but..... he didn't go 3.56 at the trials and that was when it counted.
PS I don't think schmoe is a very nice word Matt.

that is a real shame he could clearly win!

sorry for my language im sure much ruder words could have been used though :rolleyes:

[crawler]

It is a shame isn't it.....but..... he didn't go 3.56 at the trials and that was when it counted.


It looks as though qualifying for EJC could only take place at the World LC trials with no reference to the stage 3 meet as a safeguard.

If so this is a shame as the qualifying time he needed was 4.00.26 and at the stage 3 meet he did 3.59.09 (but only 4.02.?? at the trials).

Why the difference in chances given to our swimmers I wonder?

[KJ89]

Gold For Fran Halsall in the 100 Free by 3/100ths in 55.69

[Taxiandbank]

Probably not a good idea having people trying to make the team only 5 weeks before the event.
On that tack does anyone have any thoughts on swimming SASA's, EJ's then Nat youths/commy trials in quick succession. I don't see how anyone could peak for all three or taper between. I for one will be watching how those swimmers perform by the time they get to Sheffield.
TandB

[littlemonkey]

2nd for Robbie Renwick in the 400 Free - 3:55:18. Not bad that.

[ruthcp]

Gold For Fran Halsall in the 100 Free by 3/100ths in 55.69

That's an awesome time! :shocking: :cool:

[Pink Paraffin]

It looks as though qualifying for EJC could only take place at the World LC trials with no reference to the stage 3 meet as a safeguard.

If so this is a shame as the qualifying time he needed was 4.00.26 and at the stage 3 meet he did 3.59.09 (but only 4.02.?? at the trials).

Why the difference in chances given to our swimmers I wonder?

This was brought up recently at one of the British swimming Roadshows - why can't EJC & EYOF athletes qualify at Stage 3 as the Seniors do, particularly if they were ill, injured or just out of sorts at the Trials. Look at Beckerleg for the 400 Free at the EYOF and Clarke for the 400 Free at the EJC's as well (particularly with a 1:52 in the heats of the 800 relay)

The answer was that there were just no plans to bring this in for the juniors. Shame really - it may have cost us medals at both meets

[Gina]

Very good swims from the GB juniors, maybe some of the swimmers picked for relays should have been allowed to swim individual events if they had reached the qualifying times at the Stage 3 meet.

That German bloke did a 22.26 in the 50 freestyle (faster than Foster!)

And the 800m final had a very close top 4. Jordan Tomlinson was 0.2 outside 3rd place.

[KJ89]

And the 800m final had a very close top 4. Jordan Tomlinson was 0.2 outside 3rd place.
very good swim 5 second PB well shes always got next year to medal in this event her toughest opponent then will probably Ceri Unwin if they both keep swimming this well!

[aswim]

very good swim 5 second PB well shes always got next year to medal in this event her toughest opponent then will probably Ceri Unwin if they both keep swimming this well!

yes a very gd swim. also mentioned frans swim was also a fantastic time.

the question i ask is : were all the top gb swimmers as good as this at such a young age?

are we working swimmers too hard too young(burnout, like has been seen with one young athletic star,?) or have we got a new generation of superstars of the future? IF THEY KEPP PROCEEDING LIKE THIS THE 2008 AND 2012 OLYMPICS SHOULD BE A FIELD DAY FOR TEAM GB!!
:rainbow:

[Bazza]

Well that's the million dollar question. I think the young swimmers work harder (ie train more) these days which is one reason why they are doing so well at 15/16. The question is will this really translate into more success on the Olympic podium which is all that counts remember. ;)

[Phil Tanner]

IMHO the big thing is having 2012 in London. That will make it worth some of the current top teenagers dedicating the next seven years to. But you do fear for those who will be encouraged to do this and don't quite make it, or find someone pulls a British passport out at the last minute and nicks a place.

[bean]

where in the schmoe was James Clarke in the 400free? doesnt he go 3.56?

hear hear!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bean]

It looks as though qualifying for EJC could only take place at the World LC trials with no reference to the stage 3 meet as a safeguard.

If so this is a shame as the qualifying time he needed was 4.00.26 and at the stage 3 meet he did 3.59.09 (but only 4.02.?? at the trials).

Why the difference in chances given to our swimmers I wonder?

hear hear!!!!!!!!

[bean]

This was brought up recently at one of the British swimming Roadshows - why can't EJC & EYOF athletes qualify at Stage 3 as the Seniors do, particularly if they were ill, injured or just out of sorts at the Trials. Look at Beckerleg for the 400 Free at the EYOF and Clarke for the 400 Free at the EJC's as well (particularly with a 1:52 in the heats of the 800 relay)

The answer was that there were just no plans to bring this in for the juniors. Shame really - it may have cost us medals at both meets

hear hear!!!!!!!!!

Have just returned from EJC and it was so sad to see SO MANY swimmers not swimming events that quite clearly, on the day, a medal would have been a possibility!!!??? and a final place almost a certainty as I'm sure was the same at EYO ie: Beckerleg!
Late entries ARE being made in Hungary, but not for some???????????? WHY?

[lane4]

I don't see how anyone could peak for all three or taper between. I for one will be watching how those swimmers perform by the time they get to Sheffield.
TandB

Who said they were peaking for all three or tapering between?

I think I am right in saying you are a parent not a coach so what makes you so sure that peaking for all three is not possible if someone did want to do that?

[lane4]

Some of you may have picked this up from the splits but did you notice that in the men's 400 IM final, the Hungarian lad who came 2nd (Gergoe Kis) split 56.60 for the freestyle leg. To me that is simply an incredible split and I am wondering if it is the fastest ever last 100 of a 400 IM at any level. Fairly sure that Phelps doesn't back end that quick, although I haven'y checked it up yet. Does anyone know if 56.60 is the fastest ever?

By the way, Kis won the 200 fly in 1:59 tonight and then was back in the water within 20 minutes to pick up silver in the 1500. Impressive stuff again from him.

[OAC]

Yeah that is probably one of the fastest. When Phelps set his world record in Athens, he split 57.90 for the freestyle.

[crawler]

Some of you may have picked this up from the splits but did you notice that in the men's 400 IM final, the Hungarian lad who came 2nd (Gergoe Kis) split 56.60 for the freestyle leg. To me that is simply an incredible split and I am wondering if it is the fastest ever last 100 of a 400 IM at any level. Fairly sure that Phelps doesn't back end that quick, although I haven'y checked it up yet. Does anyone know if 56.60 is the fastest ever?

By the way, Kis won the 200 fly in 1:59 tonight and then was back in the water within 20 minutes to pick up silver in the 1500. Impressive stuff again from him.

Thanks for pointing that out Lane 4 I'd not noticed it and that is incredible.

The 1500m mens winner swimming 15.06 and winning by 20 secs had caught my eye.
As far as splits GBR splits Rachel George's 4x200 time of 2.02.77 looks really good, and Robbie Renwick had a good back end in getting his silver in the 400 Free.
How has it been for you?

[ringer]

The live results link to the EJC enables virtual race "watching". Never seen this kind of race result reporting before.
Lane order appears as competitors are on blocks and splits appear to give the viewer the impression of presence as the race evolves........ I think its brilliant; but then I watch Saturday football when my team is away...on ceefax!!!!

[aswim]

so do you lot think these teenagers are peaking now or is there far more to come? Will the speed at this age translate to speed when eg23? thanks ASWIM

[Linny]

There does look to be quite a few good Hungarians - on which topic - what is Daniel Gyurta doing now? Will he be at the Worlds? Even if the EJCs were of interest - amazingly he is still too young!

[Bazza]

I'm not sure that he will be in Montreal - looking at the SwimNews rankings (if they can be relied upon, usually pretty good), there are several Hungarians listed in the 200 breast with time from Hungarian Longcourse in June, but Gyurta is not one of them.

[lane4]

Back today from a great week in Budapest. Well done to all the GB team on some great results.

GBR YIP YIP! ;)

[aswim]

Did You Make Any Finals, Or Medals? Pb's? What Was The Atmosphere Like? Hope You Had A Great Time Aswim

[mad4it]

Did You Make Any Finals, Or Medals? Pb's? What Was The Atmosphere Like? Hope You Had A Great Time Aswim
Thats quality, I think lane4 is maybe just a little too old and of course far too fast for a competition such as European Juniors!! :p

[aswim]

i would like to say that i was jokin but i wasn't. oopps. sorry. so is lane4 a coach or something? is lane4 someone famous? i am lost???? thanks ASWIM

[The ROCK]

There does look to be quite a few good Hungarians - on which topic - what is Daniel Gyurta doing now? Will he be at the Worlds? Even if the EJCs were of interest - amazingly he is still too young!

Gyurta was at the EJCs............he presented the medals for the 200bs!!

Amazing

[GettingFaster]

i would like to say that i was jokin but i wasn't. oopps. sorry. so is lane4 a coach or something? is lane4 someone famous? i am lost???? thanks ASWIM

You may not have been joking but you made a lot of people smile :D

And to answer your questions, yes, yes and yes (to quote from "When Harry...") :shocking:

[ruthcp]

i would like to say that i was jokin but i wasn't. oopps. sorry. so is lane4 a coach or something? is lane4 someone famous? i am lost???? thanks ASWIM

Definitely famous! :cool: (or is it infamous? :) )

[aswim]

so who does he coach then??? ASWIM

[GettingFaster]

so who does he coach then??? ASWIM

Ah, now that would be telling, so we'll let lane4 tell you himself if he wishes to.

[aswim]

Ah, now that would be telling, so we'll let lane4 tell you himself if he wishes to.

am i the only person who doesn't know anything about him?? how about a first name then? or what part of what country? thanks ASWIM :rolleyes:

[ruthcp]

am i the only person who doesn't know anything about him?? how about a first name then? or what part of what country? thanks ASWIM :rolleyes:

Maybe he'll tell you - he's a very nice man! :love:

[crawler]

am i the only person who doesn't know anything about him?? how about a first name then? or what part of what country? thanks ASWIM :rolleyes:

Hey aswim I hadn't figured out the caped crusader's identity for a long long time.

If you read his posts (only 1900 or so) you can figure it out. :)

[aswim]

thanks crawler............maybe i will know by the end of this year..........................?!

[aswim]

its ok. i've found out. a little bird told me so i do not have to take a year to search. thanks aswim