Melbourne 2006 - Day 1

[Chris]

OK. I think we need to start a new thread for each days' competition, and so here's the first!

Keep an eye out for the Guernsey swimmers this evening:

Event 2 - Mens 50m Backstroke
Heat 1, Lane 4 - Jonathan Le Noury
Heat 4, Lane 8 - Tom Hollingsworth

Event 4 - Mens 400m Freestyle
Heat 2, Lane 2 - Jonathan Le Noury

Event 5 - Womens 200m Individual Medley
Heat 2, Lane 2 - Gail Strobridge

Event 6 - Mens 200m Butterfly
Heat 1, Lane 3 - Ian Powell
Heat 2, Lane 2 - Tom Hollingsworth
Heat 3, Lane 7 - Ben Lowndes

GO GUERNSEY!!!!

[GettingFaster]

:speechles CAn I detect a slight touch of bias here...? :speechles

[Chris]

:speechles CAn I detect a slight touch of bias here...? :speechles

I'm just getting the thread started :o

[mad4it]

Well if its going like that.. here's the Scottish swimmers to keep an eye out for tonight..

Womens 200 Free - Caitlin McClatchey
Womens 50 Butterfly - Stephanie Hill
Mens 400 Free - David Carry, Robbie Renwick & Andy Hunter
Womens 200 IM - Hannah Miley & Lorna Smith
Womens 50 Breast - Kerry Buchan & Fiona Booth

GO SCOTLAND!!

(Damn it GF you got in there first! note on the side, anyone know why Todd's out of the 200m Fly?

[Chris]

Swimming is now underway ..... first heat of women's 200 free won by Ming Xiu Ong of MAS (???) in 2.07.99

Caitlin McClatchey just oustide Karen Pickering's Games record in heat 2 - winning the heat in 1.59.96

Jo Jackson 2nd in heat 3 in a 2.00.23. Olivia Rawlinson (13 years old I think) from the Isle of Man was 7th.

Heat 4 - Libby Lenton 1st in 2.00.16, Mel Marshall in 2nd with 2.00.50

[Spidey]

Swimming is now underway ..... first heat of women's 200 free won by Ming Xiu Ong of MAS (???) in 2.07.99

Caitlin McClatchey just oustide Karen Pickering's Games record in heat 2 - winning the heat in 1.59.96

Jo Jackson 2nd in heat 3 in a 2.00.23. Olivia Rawlinson (13 years old I think) from the Isle of Man was 7th.

Quicker results service than the BBC interactive. Champion.

GO EVERYBODY

[Chris]

50 Back

Heat 1 - Jonny Le Noury from Guernsey 2nd in 28.70!

Heat 2 - Matt Clay wins in 25.61, New Games Record

Heat 3 - Matt Welsh of Australia wins in 25.66

Heat 4 - Liam Tancock wins in 25.26 NEW GAMES RECORD, Tom Hollingsworth of Guernsey 28.44 in 7th, Dane Harrop from Isle of Man 29.06 in 8th

[Chris]

50 Fly

Heat 1 - Kiran Kahn from Pakistan wins in 31.40

Heat 2 - Emily Crookall-Nixon from the Isle of Man 1st in 29.72

Heat 3 - Won by Alice Mills of Australia in 27.11, Terri Dunning 27.71 in 4th, Julie Douglas 28.67 in 6th

Heat 4 - Jessica Schipper of Australia wins in 26.77, Ros Brett 2nd in 27.45

Heat 5 - Dannie Miatke of Australian wins in 26.67, Stephanie Hill 6th in 28.28, Cari-Fflur Davies 7th in 28.45

[Chris]

Mens 400 Free

Heat 1 - David Davies wins in 3.51.39

Heat 2 - Won by Andrew Hurd of Canada in 3.52.48, Robert Renwick 2nd in 3.52.69, Jonny Le Noury of Guernsey 5th in 4.10.64

Heat 3 - Craig Stevens of Australia wins in 3.51.26,David Carry 2nd in 3.51.66, Andrew Hunter 4th in 3.55.68

[OutsideBurner]

Quicker results service than the BBC interactive. Champion.

GO EVERYBODY

He's quicker than Omega live timing avaiable at:

http://www.omegatiming.com/livetiming/index.htm

[Chris]

Womens 200 I.M.

Heat 1 - Stephanie Rice of Australia wins in 2.16.44, Hannah Miley 2nd in 2.18.47, Emily Crookall-Nixon 4th in 2.26.78

Heat 2 - Won by Lara Carroll of Australia in 2.15.30, Terri Dunning 2nd in 2.17.11, Julie Gould 3rd in 2.21.12, Gail Strobridge 5th in 2.25.19

Heat 3 - Brooke Hanson of Australia wins in 2.15.26, Lorna Smith 4th in 2.23.80, Olivia Rawlinson 5th in 2.29.57

[GettingFaster]

Do they have 8 or 10 in finals?

[Chris]

Can you see a pattern developing in the winners of the womens heats!!

[Chris]

Do they have 8 or 10 in finals?

8 I think .... outside lanes are left empty

[EssBee]

Chris

Is the swimming somewhere on TV now or are you picking the results up from the omega timing site?

EssBee

[mad4it]

8 Qualifiers into each final. If you look on Omegatiming you will see the Qs next to the first 8 swimmers.

I hate "watching" the swimming on Omega however the BBC are being annoying and showing much more Rugby7s on BBC1 than they said they would. I'm now gonna know all the results when I watch the actual racing!!

[Chris]

Mens 200 butterfly

Heat 1 - Jeremy Knowles of Bahamas wins in 2.00.17, Ian Powell 3rd in 2.02.26 :D

Heat 2 - Moss Burmester of New Zealand wins in 1.59.87, Matt Bowe 2nd in 2.02.34 , Tom Hollingsworth 4th in 2.06.89 :D

Heat 3 - Travis Nederpelt of Australia wins in 1.57.36, Simon Le Couilliard of Jersey 4th in 2.04.49, Ben Lowndes of Guernsey 6th in 2.13.89


IAN POWELL IS INTO THE FINAL!!!!!!!!

7TH PLACE!!!!!!

[GettingFaster]

Where can you find that bit? I'm only 'watching' the results and haven't figured out where else I can check for this kind of thing.

Ok, just sussed it. So it's one swimmer per country in the 200IM final. Well done Terri, Hannah and Julie.

[Sush]

Click on results, then comes up with total rankings of heats swum

[GettingFaster]

Oh dear, commentator pointing out that "you've got to have your toes under the water" at the start. Unless I'm sorely mistaken, that rule changed a little while ago. Wonder if anyone told the BBC?

[Sush]

:banghead: :rolleyes:

[Chris]

Womens 50m Breaststroke

Heat 1 - Won by Natasha Ratter of Uganda in 42.71

Heat 2 - Tarnee White of Australia wins in 31.55, Lowri Tynan 3rd in 32.77, Kerry Buchan 5th in 35.43

Heat 3 - Leisel Jones of Australia wins in 30.78, Kate Haywood 2nd in 31.82, Fiona Booth 3rd in 32.82

Heat 4 - Won by Jade Edmistone of Australia in 30.51

[OutsideBurner]

Ah Miss Baker next!!

[Chris]

Anyone know what time the Mens 200 fly final is?

Must see it!!!!!

Chris

[lane4]

Just returned to my hotel room after the heats. Some very interesting swims this morning, making for some great finals in prospect tonight.

Could Scotland shock the Commonwealth, if not the world, by winning 2 Gold medals on the opening night!? It certainly looks possible that Scotland could be ahead of England in the medal table after day one.

However, it was difficult to tell who played their full hand this morning and who was holding back, and if so, to what extent?

Just a word about Kerry Buchan's swim in the 50 breast (35.43). Don't worry, she is not in bad form, her arms separated from the streamline immediately on entry causing her to come to a complete stop before returning to the surface and getting going properly. So 35 was pretty respectable given this and she still made the semi-final so expect her to go a lot faster tonight.

[crawler]

Wow shaking at 200m free for women.
Caitlin McClatchey wins in 1.57.25 beating Libby Lenton with Mel Marshall placing third in 1.58 summat.
Fabulous race - gulp I'm going to late for work!!

[Dreama]

We're gonna hear the national anthem a few times - yay! - go liam now

[mad4it]

GO CAITLIN!!! What an awesome start!! Oh yes!!

(Thanks for that L4, was a little concerned!)

[GettingFaster]

Anyone know what time the Mens 200 fly final is?

Must see it!!!!!

Chris

If you look at the Start lists for the finals there's a time at the top, which I guess is the start time. For 200 fly it says 19:38, so that's 8:38 our time, I think.

Stayed up to watch the 200 IM and dropped off, so missed the heat I wanted to watch. Duh!

[Arianna]

Another Gold for Scotland and a Bronze for Wales!! mens 400!!!

[NotVeryFast]

David Carry wins the 400 free as expected - Scotland dominating in the swimming pool! :D

[mad4it]

Scotland : top of the Commonwealth Games medal table!! Oh Yes!!

[Leprechaun]

Didnt realise Guildford City had a finalist in the IM? BBC just said it so must be true!
J

[Katie]

Hahahaha... had to say I laughed! :) Go everybody!

[Vicki]

Anyone know where to view the results live online?

[spw]

Omega Live Timing (http://www.omegatiming.com/livetiming/index.htm)

[Tara]

David Davies took 43 strokes a length on the 400!!

I have to say I like how the Scottish team seem to be relaxed (ok its easy when you swim well) but from what I've seen they seem more like the Australian approach (how you see Lenton, Miatke etc smiling and relaxed before race) and less arrogant or uptight.

[Pete]

Didnt realise Guildford City had a finalist in the IM? BBC just said it so must be true!
J
The BBC's info is obviously a few months out of date. But well done Julie; Surrey and Welsh swimming must be proud of her making the final on her second event.
Was pleased the phone did not ring this morning asking me to work.


Well done all British swimmers for stopping the Aussie dominance, especially Caitlin and David.
England up for a 1-2-3 in the cycling!

[Katie]

How boring are England's black hats???

[Jade]

How boring are England's black hats???

I agree! Why are they black!!!

Did we not know that RED is a winning colour!?

[GettingFaster]

Just seen a cyclist with tissue stuffed up his nose. Nice to see such high-tech equipment being used! :D

[Vicki]

Thank you :)

[Top10ranking]

strong first le for simon :D reat swimming today what happened to the last le?? amazing to see people i have met and or raced swimming e.g. robbie renwick and julie gould. i thought she had moved from guilford?

[Leprechaun]

The BBC's info is obviously a few months out of date. But well done Julie; Surrey and Welsh swimming must be proud of her making the final on her second event.

And so are all of us at Guildford - as you say Pete, making final on second event is great. Best of luck Julie for 400IM and have a great time too.

[Sean Piper]

Amazing relay split from Eamon SUllivan. 48.21... by far the fastest swim of anyone in the field!!!

- Sean

[restors]

Anyone know why Kerry Buchanan was DQ'd 50m breast?

[Vicki]

Twitching at the start i heard, though i didnt see it myself

[fastest1]

Amazing relay split from Eamon SUllivan. 48.21... by far the fastest swim of anyone in the field!!!

- Sean

Apart from Brent Hayden (48.13) :)

[fastest1]

And does anyone know what happened to Burnett's dive on the relay? It looked like his hands came apart, which must have lost him a few tenths. Still a good swim though.

[Top10ranking]

And does anyone know what happened to Burnett's dive on the relay? It looked like his hands came apart, which must have lost him a few tenths. Still a good swim though.

i saw that but wasnt sure if it was him, he was a good body length down at the start though, looking good for british records if so. legend

[rogant stard]

Amazing relay split from Eamon SUllivan. 48.21... by far the fastest swim of anyone in the field!!!

Very good indeed.

While not wishing to be negative after a great evening of swimming, I feel it prudent to highlight the WORST relay split of anyone in the field (well almost) - that of England anchor Anthony Howard. England were on for a medal until the takeover - check out the reaction time (0.61 - just a bit faster than Schoeman's flat start) - and a woeful split of 52.27 :speechles

As for Kerry BUCHAN, must have been the start again.

[Top10ranking]

Very good indeed.

While not wishing to be negative after a great evening of swimming, I feel it prudent to highlight the WORST relay split of anyone in the field (well almost) - that of England anchor Anthony Howard. England were on for a medal until the takeover - check out the reaction time (0.61 - just a bit faster than Schoeman's flat start) - and a woeful split of 52.27 :speechles

As for Kerry BUCHAN, must have been the start again.

that is very poor i must saw, i have people in my club as fast. a british record none the less?

[Ljunberg]

And does anyone know what happened to Burnett's dive on the relay? It looked like his hands came apart, which must have lost him a few tenths. Still a good swim though.

Yeah, i noticed that too. Although with all those black caps it was difficult to tell for sure who it was. Would explain the reason Schoeman took a bodys length off him at the start though.

[mad4it]

Anyone know why Kerry Buchan was DQ'd 50m breast?
No, but her start looked ok!

Lane4??

[rubber ducky]

Some great swimming this morning!! I got up early to watch the finals. Very impressive swim by Caitlin.

Shame about the England 4x100 mens relay losing out at the end, and also in the 200 I.M for Terri Dunning. Still, 4th place is good!!

Looking forward to the rest of the swimming....that is if I can cope with the late nights and early mornings!!

[Vicki]

also in the 200 I.M for Terri Dunning. Still, 4th place is good!!

Really good IM from Terri - Breaststoke is obviously not her favourite stroke though!! he he!

[Nevilles polish]

The bronze medalist in the mens 200m fly wouldn't have been selected for England as he didn't get he ''C'' qualifying time.

[Gina]

Stayed up til 2am to watch the heats, but had a lie in and missed the finals. I'm much better at staying up late than getting up early (good job I don't have morning training!)

About the hats, I like black hats, but I can't see a thing that's printed on them. Maybe we should go with the American idea and stick a huge England flag on the side. We shouldn't miss swimmers then!

Amazing from Catlin and don't forget Mel. She was just off he best, but a low 1.58 against the some of the best in the world is what we asked for.

My dad told me that Liam Tancock was only a few hundreds off the 50 back world record. Roll on the final!

So what club does Julie Gould swim for now? I thoguht she was at Guildford?!?!?!

[lane4]

Well did I call it or what!? Scoland 2 Golds and leading the whole meet in the medal table, never mind just England! Incredible stuff. Well done indeed to Caitlin and David, and their (English) coaches Ben and Ian.

To clear up Kerry's DQ, it was NOT for the start, which she got correct this time, but was in fact for perfoming an illegal dolphin leg kick throughout the stroke (not at the start, I mean in the swim, after each normal brs kick).

Anthony Howard must be wishing he done a bit more work on his back end speed. What was that Bill said about extra volume for 100m swimmers?

Sean Piper you got too excited about Sullivan, it was indeed the Canadian anchor who had a faster split. Good from Sullivan all the same though.

Simon Burnett is looking incredible. He did what Kerry Buchan did this morning at the start of the relay (although not quite as bad) and still went out 23 and brought it home in a 24.9 for 48.7. Two more strokes and he would have had Mr Schoeman. Roland must be a worried man now for the 100!

I think the Aussies got a bit of a shock tonight. They were not being complacent but I am sure they did not expect Scotland to win the 200 free, 400 free and New Zealand to take the 200 fly.

An interesting day is promised tomorrow when we see how everyone responds to tonight's results.

[lane4]

So what club does Julie Gould swim for now? I thoguht she was at Guildford?!?!?!
She swims for Haslemere these days. It was great experience for her to make the final today but she was probably hoping for a better time.

[Gina]

She swims for Haslemere these days. It was great experience for her to make the final today but she was probably hoping for a better time.

Oh right. Thanks. Commonwealth final is very good experience and to go faster in the final, with all the pressure, is a positive thing.

[Katie]

That must be disappointing for Kerry, are they saying her stroke in general is illegal?

I wish I was there! The atmosphere looks awesome. :)

[NotVeryFast]

To clear up Kerry's DQ, it was NOT for the start, which she got correct this time, but was in fact for perfoming an illegal dolphin leg kick throughout the stroke (not at the start, I mean in the swim, after each normal brs kick).
I'll have to re-watch my recording sometime to see exactly what Kerry's kick looked like, but on the Go Swim All Strokes DVD, Erik Vendt has some up and down leg movement during his arm pull which I was quite surprised by when I first saw it. I'd assumed it must be okay if Erik does it, but it sounds like it really is quite a dodgy thing to be doing.

[OutsideBurner]

I'll have to re-watch my recording sometime to see exactly what Kerry's kick looked like, but on the Go Swim All Strokes DVD, Erik Vendt has some up and down leg movement during his arm pull which I was quite surprised by when I first saw it. I'd assumed it must be okay if Erik does it, but it sounds like it really is quite a dodgy thing to be doing.

Extract from FINA Rules:

SW 7.4 During each complete cycle, some part of the swimmer's head shall break the surface of the
water. After the start and after each turn, the swimmer may take one arm stroke completely back to the
legs. The head must break the surface of the water before the hands turn inward at the widest part of the
second stroke. A single downward dolphin kick followed by a breaststroke kick is permitted while wholly
submerged. Following which, all movements of the legs shall be simultaneous and in the same horizontal
plane without alternating movement.

[Sara-P]

Chris here in London LBC 97.3 radio are ridiculing channel island commonwealth teams, a chance for you to put them right, its a phone in. Its on sky , not sure of channel though.

[OutsideBurner]

Extract from FINA Rules:

SW 7.4 During each complete cycle, some part of the swimmer's head shall break the surface of the
water. After the start and after each turn, the swimmer may take one arm stroke completely back to the
legs. The head must break the surface of the water before the hands turn inward at the widest part of the
second stroke. A single downward dolphin kick followed by a breaststroke kick is permitted while wholly
submerged. Following which, all movements of the legs shall be simultaneous and in the same horizontal
plane without alternating movement.

Of course you need to the legs need to rise again but only slowly, or it can be seen as anothe fly kick!!

[Chris]

Chris here in London LBC 97.3 radio are ridiculing channel island commonwealth teams, a chance for you to put them right, its a phone in. Its on sky , not sure of channel though.

Hi Sara-P.

What are they saying? Something along the lines of "Why do they bother"?

A but rude .... I'm sure it's someone very knowledgable on the subject :rolleyes:

[H2o]

She swims for Haslemere these days. It was great experience for her to make the final today but she was probably hoping for a better time.


So sorry to be pedantic but I believe the best terminology here is:
She trains with or at Haslemere.

Good Luck in the 400IM Julie, best wishes to you.

[OutsideBurner]

By the way if any of you saw my previous post before I edited it, never leave your flat mate alone with your computer!! They'll do their best to sabotage you, especially if your doing things to there computer all the time!!

[Tara]

Simon Burnett is looking incredible. He did what Kerry Buchan did this morning at the start of the relay (although not quite as bad) and still went out 23 and brought it home in a 24.9 for 48.7. Two more strokes and he would have had Mr Schoeman. Roland must be a worried man now for the 100!

I agree-to do that at the start and still go 48.7 is very very impressive!

[Gina]

Chris here in London LBC 97.3 radio are ridiculing channel island commonwealth teams, a chance for you to put them right, its a phone in. Its on sky , not sure of channel though.

I wouldn't worry about this guy. I've been forced to listen to him in the past and I hated his show. He's not talking about swimming now, but about flies on car windows! Quality (not!)

[Top10ranking]

aside from the swimming. england 14 - 7 australlia in the rugby sevens. have it!

[NotVeryFast]

Extract from FINA Rules:

SW 7.4 During each complete cycle, some part of the swimmer's head shall break the surface of the
water. After the start and after each turn, the swimmer may take one arm stroke completely back to the
legs. The head must break the surface of the water before the hands turn inward at the widest part of the
second stroke. A single downward dolphin kick followed by a breaststroke kick is permitted while wholly
submerged. Following which, all movements of the legs shall be simultaneous and in the same horizontal
plane without alternating movement.
We were talking about during the normal stroke at the surface rather than the underwater stroke.

[Top10ranking]

forget that england 14 - 12 australlia. full time

[OutsideBurner]

We were talking about during the normal stroke at the surface rather than the underwater stroke.

:banghead: Sorry mis-interpreted what you were saying. Will read the thread again and try again. Having the games in Australia was a bad idea, you find your self up most of the nite watching them!!

[Sara-P]

Hi Sara-P.

What are they saying? Something along the lines of "Why do they bother"?

A but rude .... I'm sure it's someone very knowledgable on the subject :rolleyes:



Kind of questioning your right to be there and will it really be a claim to fame to have been a representative. Its a bit shock jock kind of thing, no personal/individual slurs.

[Sean Piper]

Sean Piper you got too excited about Sullivan, it was indeed the Canadian anchor who had a faster split. Good from Sullivan all the same though.

Yep... duly noted! Sorry folks.

It was worth a try though.. right? :)

Certainly an unusual start for Australia, who I'm sure expected to be way ahead in the medal tally by now.

Libby's 200m was a courageous effort, but beaten fair and square. The 400m free, Stevens wasn't worth much.

Great result for Steph Rice in the 200IM (she's a great girl!!!).

The men's 200m fly went as expected, however it was good to see Josh Krough get up for bronze... regardless of the time.

And the 4x100m relay was the most exciting race I've seen in years! Even without the win, the Aussie boys can be very proud of their effort!!!

I watched the tape back a couple of times, and it did seem that Simon Burnett lost grip on his hand going into the water, making for a pretty messy breakout. Still, makes his time of 48.79 all the more impressive!

- Sean

[Chris]

My thoughts on Day 1.

Obviously we were very excite that Ian Powell qualified for the final of the mens 200m butterfly. New lifetime best for him in the heats by 2 seconds, and a further PB in the final. He did us proud.

Our men in the "final" of the 4x100m free relay. Strong swims from most, and particularly young Jeremy Osborne (only 15years old) who swam that fastest split of 53.84. We're not really in a position to be up there with the Australia's and South Africas of this world!

Turning to everyone else .....

Caitlin McClatchey :thumb:
Liam Tancock in the semis :thumb:
David Carry and David Davies :thumb:

Not a bad first day in all (I am however rather tired today!)

Chris

[Sush]

Mmm, me too, dunno how long I'll be able to keep up witht the late nights/early mornings!!! :sleeping:

Yes was a very good day 1! Nice that Australia wern't completly dominant, and obviously very good for Scotland especially! Some very good swims all round really. Good day of racing, looking forward to the rest!

[Katie]

I know this sounds stupid (and obviously not remotely technical), but one of the things I like about the Commonwealth Games is that whoever wins always looks SO PLEASED. I sometimes think in the World Champs etc you get people who look as though they expected to win, or although they've won the time wasn't good etc., but here everyone just looks so chuffed. It makes a nice change!! But maybe that's just because the home nations have had success so far and the other 2 wins weren't entirely expected. :)

[Katie]

Also, have just realised Ross Davenport did an awesome split in our relay, 48.6!

[matt]

Kind of questioning your right to be there and will it really be a claim to fame to have been a representative. Its a bit shock jock kind of thing, no personal/individual slurs.

ARGH this is annoying I haven't been able to watch anything yet.

They should be there, most of our team worked really hard to get where they are not just in the last year but for years before that as well. If the opportunity came your way then you're going to take it really aren't you?

Argh, too much work, can't watch it.

Just been updated on the Gsy team situation by Pete & Gino....Ian took 2 secs off. GOOD STUFF

[mad4it]

Does anyone know what ever happened to Charlie Crookal-Nixon? Her sister Emily is swimming for Isle of Man at the games and just wondered whether she'd given up swimming??

[Vicki]

Why didnt Wales have a male relay team?

[gan]

No, charlotte hasn't given up swimming in fact she got some of the manx consideration times, but didn't qualify to go for the isle of man since they have changed the rules for qualifying onto the manx team: previously emily was allowed because they have a manx grand parent (both of them live in england) but now they wont accept that because it's not a close enough link. But because emily has already been to the commonwealths for the isle of man they had to let her go again if she got the times.

Their dad wasn't very impressed with the rule change, he was in the local papers saying how charlotte was so much better than emily and that we should pay for her to go just because he thought she could make a semifinal...