British team for Europeans

[Bazza]

Thought I would update each day on who has qualified for each event for the British team to go to the European Longcourse this season.

Only two finals on day one:

Mens 400m Freestyle - David Carry, David Davies and Robbie Renwick.
Womens 400m Individual Medley - Rebecca Cooke, Hannah Miley and Jessica Dickons.

[Bazza]

Qaulifiers from day two:

Womens 100m Freestyle - Francesca Halsall and Rosalind Brett (plus Julia Beckett, Katherine Wyld, Amy Smith and Jessica Sylvester for 4x100m relay team).
Mens 50m Butterfly - Todd Cooper and Matt Clay.
Womens 100m Breaststroke - Kirsty Balfour, Kate Haywood and Kerry Buchan.
Mens 100m Backstroke - Liam Tancock, Gregor Tait, Matt Clay and James Goddard.
Womens 50m Butterfly - NO QUALIFIERS.

Got to go training - more later. :)

[badger swimmer]

I agree with who has been selected other than the 4x100 relay which it seems is very confusing to work out who's qualified and who will be in the relay. Firstly, Mel Marshall led off the relay at CG in 55.24 so must therefore be included in the top 6 for the relay, thus pushing Jessica Sylvester out of the team.
Another point is whether Caitlin McClatchey will be included in the top 6, she may not have swam in the relay at CG, but she did turn in 57.54 in her 200free and is entered in the world SC for 100free. Will she be included in the relay?! who knows (apart from Bill S).
If she is included this throws up another point then you would think this would push Amy Amith out of the top 6, however, for selection of the relays the selection policy says "The fastest six 'available' and eligible swimmers in the 100m freestyle event at both the CG06 and the Trials will be selected" This suggests that the times from CG do not require the swims to have been done in the final and therefore heat swims (provided fast enough) will be sufficient. In this case Amy Smith's 56.71 (heat of CG) would put her ahead of Katherine Wyld's 56.73.
The order of which the 6 selected swimmers are ranked may also make a difference when deciding the 4 girlsthat will swim the final and the 2 that will only swim heats.

:banghead: Maybe i'm just over complicating things lol!!

I just feel sorry for the girls that have swam at trials and are probably still non the wiser as to what times were needed in the final, and how many places there were. Would be interested to know who has/will be selected and if the girls knew what was needed from them to qualify for the team.

[Bazza]

I 'picked' the team based on my interpretation of the selection policy, in particular the following two sections:

The fastest six 'available' and eligible swimmers in the 100m freestyle event at both the CG06 and the Trials will be selected.

Remaining places from available and eligible swimmers will be filled, based on the Final times recorded at both the CG 06 and the Trials, with Final performances from CG06 taking priority over Final performances at the Trials.

So that second section to me suggests that ONLY times swum in finals will be considered, and the first bit appears to exclude Mel Marshall as it suggests only performances from the individual events will be considered. It's worth noting though that the second section (in bold) comes under the heading 'Individual events', so that could all go out the window, but that was my interpretation. :)

Other qualifiers from day two:

Mens 100m Breaststroke - Chris Cook, James Gibson and Darren Mew. James Kirton missed out by 0.01!
Womens 200m Backstroke - Mel Marshall and Elizabeth Simmonds.

[badger swimmer]

Either or indeed neither of us could be correct, who knows. Its a shame these selection policies can't be more clearer, with them changing from one trials to another but i suppose with the CG, world SC, and trials i guess it's been very hard for them to draw up a fair selection policy for everybody, and one that's easy to understand lol

[Vicki]

Is the results page from the Britishswimming website loading up for anyone?

Its very very slow for me and now the page wont even load - internet os running ok though before anyone asks ;)

[GettingFaster]

I've just realised, BS, no-one actually said welcome, so

WELCOME!!!

[DAK]

Website has been very tempremental for me this morning.

[Pete]

Is the results page from the Britishswimming website loading up for anyone?

Its very very slow for me and now the page wont even load - internet os running ok though before anyone asks ;)
Working a bit better just now but not all results are up, some events are not shown Womens 100 Back and Mens 200 Back.

[DAK]

Womens 200m Backstroke - Mel Marshall and Elizabeth Simmonds.

Does anyone know if the likes of Simmonds and Halsall will swim in both the Euro Senior LC and Euro Junior LC or just the one event?

[Curly]

"Another point is whether Caitlin McClatchey will be included in the top 6, she may not have swam in the relay at CG, but she did turn in 57.54 in her 200free and is entered in the world SC for 100free. Will she be included in the relay?! who knows (apart from Bill S)."

However good Caitlin is, and there is no denying she could probably go faster than many of the girls who have swum the 100m free both at the Trials and the CG, she did NOT swim it either as an individual event or in the 4x100m freestyle relay in the CG so it would be totally wrong to give her a place in the 4x100m freestyle relay team.

Also, I just want to say congratulations to Katie for a great swim and a huge PB!

[badger swimmer]

"Another point is whether Caitlin McClatchey will be included in the top 6, she may not have swam in the relay at CG, but she did turn in 57.54 in her 200free and is entered in the world SC for 100free. Will she be included in the relay?! who knows (apart from Bill S)."

However good Caitlin is, and there is no denying she could probably go faster than many of the girls who have swum the 100m free both at the Trials and the CG, she did NOT swim it either as an individual event or in the 4x100m freestyle relay in the CG so it would be totally wrong to give her a place in the 4x100m freestyle relay team.

Also, I just want to say congratulations to Katie for a great swim and a huge PB!

I agree, the girls at trials all swam very quick, probably spurred on by knowing there was an oppurtunity of a relay place, and i hope those who deserve their swims in the relay get them.

[Bazza]

Qualifiers from day three:

Mens 200m Individual Medley - Gregor Tait, Joe Roebuck, David Carry and Euan Dale.

On a day of semi finals, some good junior swims worth commenting on, these four I believe are British Junior records (if they still exist?):

Womens 50m Butterfly - Francesca Halsall - 27.54
Womens 200m Freestyle - Francesca Halsall - 2:00.80
Womens 100m Butterfly - Jessica Dickons - 1:01.07
Mens 200m Butterfly - Peter Thompson - 2:02.67

[Pink Paraffin]

Qualifiers from day three:

Mens 200m Individual Medley - Gregor Tait, Joe Roebuck, David Carry and Euan Dale.

On a day of semi finals, some good junior swims worth commenting on, these four I believe are British Junior records (if they still exist?):

Womens 50m Butterfly - Francesca Halsall - 27.54
Womens 200m Freestyle - Francesca Halsall - 2:00.80
Womens 100m Butterfly - Jessica Dickons - 1:01.07
Mens 200m Butterfly - Peter Thompson - 2:02.67

And now four swimmers for the Women's 800 Free?

[Linny]

Mens 200m Butterfly - Peter Thompson - 2:02.67That is obscene, I mean seriously obscene, at 15!

[Baker]

Well Phelps was 13 when he did a time like that :p

[Linny]

Well Phelps was 13 when he did a time like that :pWho's Phelps? Someone special?? :)

[lane4]

Well Phelps was 13 when he did a time like that :p
I don't think that's quite correct although at 15 he did go 1:56.

[ruthcp]

Who's Phelps? Someone special?? :)

Yeah, I never heard of him either! :p

[Linny]

I don't think that's quite correct although at 15 he did go 1:56.It might be, he swam 1.59.02 at 14 and his 1.54.92 world record at 15. Hasn't improved that much since then though. :p I guess he hasn't fulfilled his potential.

[Baker]

Maybe I was slightly out. I just checked his book 'Beneath the Surface' and he says he swam 2:04 in 1999 in orlando - when he was 13. However later on that year at the senior nationals he 'only' managed 2:07.

[ruthcp]

That's a great time, but it does (happily) make it sound quite a bit more 'human' - there are 14 year olds currently doing below 2.00. :)

[Linny]

Does anyone know if the likes of Simmonds and Halsall will swim in both the Euro Senior LC and Euro Junior LC or just the one event?Even though the names can't all be right, if one assumes that the decision has been correctly reported here (http://www.sportinglife.com/others/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=others/06/04/10/SWIMMING_Sheffield_Sweetenham.html), then the answer is both.

[mad4it]

As far as I can see these are the swimmers with qualifying times for the European LC Championships:

MEN:

100m Freestyle : Simon Burnett (CG)
200m Freestyle : Ross Davenport (CG), Simon Burnett (CG), David Carry (CG)
400m Freestyle : David Carry (CG), David Davies (CG), Robbie Renwick
1500m Freestyle : David Davies (CG)
50m Backstroke : Matt Clay (CG), Liam Tancock (CG)
100m Backstroke : Liam Tancock (CG), Gregor Tait (CG), Matt Clay, James Goddard
200m Backstroke : James Goddard, Gregor Tait (CG)
50m Breaststroke : Darren Mew, Chris Cook (CG), James Gibson (CG)
100m Breaststroke : Chris Cook (CG), James Gibson (CG), Darren Mew (CG)
200m Breaststroke : Kris Gilchrist (CG), James Kirkton
50m Butterfly : Todd Cooper (CG), Matt Clay (CG)
100m Butterfly : Todd Cooper (CG), Matt Bowe
200m Butterfly : Joe Roebuck
200m Individual Medley : Gregor Tait (CG), Joe Roebuck, David Carry (CG), Euan Dale
400m Individual Medley : David Carry (CG), Euan Dale (CG), Joe Roebuck, Lewis Smith

WOMEN:

50m Freestyle : Fran Halsall
100m Freestyle : Fran Halsall (CG)
200m Freestyle : Caitlin McClatchey (CG), Mel Marshall (CG), Jo Jackson (CG)
400m Freestyle : Caitlin McClatchey (CG), Jo Jackson (CG), Rebecca Adlington
800m Freestyle : Rebecca Cooke (CG), Rebecca Adlington, Keri-Anne Payne (CG), Cassie Patton
100m Backstroke : Mel Marshall (CG), Katy Sexton (CG), Lizzie Simmonds
200m Backstroke : Mel Marshall (CG)
50m Breaststroke : Kate Haywood (CG), Kirsty Balfour
100m Breaststroke : Kirsty Bakfour (CG), Kate Haywood (CG), Kerry Buchan (CG)
200m Breaststroke : Kirsty Balfour (CG)
100m Butterfly : Terri Dunning, Ros Brett
200m Butterfly : Jessica Dickons, Terri Dunning (CG), Rebecca Shaw
200m Individual Medley : Terri Dunning (CG), Fran Halsall
400m Individual Medley : Rebecca Cooke (CG), Hannah Miley, Jessica Dickons


Great efforts by Jessica Dickons, Lizzie Simmonds, Fran Halsall, Robbie Renwick & Lewis Smith for making both the European Junior Team and the senior team for the European LC.

[mad4it]

And the swimmers with Qualifying Times for the European Junior Championships:

MEN:

100m Freestyle : Robbie Renwick
200m Freestyle : Robbie Renwick
400m Freestyle : Robbie Renwick
100m Backstroke : Marco Loughran, David Waslin
200m Backstroke : Thomas Haffield (CG), Marco Loughran
200m Butterfly : Lewis Smith
200m Individual Medley : Lewis Smith, Daniel Coombs
400m Individual Medley : Lewis Smith, Thomas Haffield (CG)

WOMEN:

50m Freestyle : Fran Halsall
100m Freestyle : Fran Halsall (CG)
200m Freestyle : Fran Halsall, Rachael George
400m Freestyle : Ceri Unwin, Jordan Tomlinson
800m Freestyle : Jordan Tomlinson, Jazmin Carlin (CG)
100m Backstroke : Lizzie Simmonds, Fran Halsall
200m Backstroke : Lizzie Simmonds, Zoe Hester
100m Breaststroke : Alexandra Warren, Emma Bird
200m Breaststroke : Charlotte Barnes, Emma Bird
100m Butterfly : Jemma Lowe (CG), Jessica Dickons
200m Butterfly : Jessica Dickons, Jemma Lowe
200m Individual Medley : Fran Halsall, Helena Thornton
400m Individual Medley : Jessica Dickons, Ceri Unwin

[mad4it]

Obviously relays for both events will still be decided but that decision lies in the hands of British Swimming, and Bill Sweetenham.

Congrats Katie on a great week of racing, you must be pretty pleased with your results. Outstanding 200m Butterfly from Jessica Dickons, in fact, all of her races where amazing, at 15 years old she'll be one to watch over the next couple of years. :D

[DAK]

As far as I can see these are the swimmers with qualifying times for the European LC Championships:

MEN:

100m Backstroke : Gregor Tait (CG), Matt Clay, James Goddard



Plus Liam Tancock after his BR at the CG?

[DAK]

Obviously relays for both events will still be decided but that decision lies in the hands of British Swimming, and Bill Sweetenham.


Is this the case? I thought the selection criteria was pretty clear on what had to be acheived to secure a relay place. Surely it is not one persons decision?

[mad4it]

Thanks DAK. Yes I guess it is the case that the swimmers will be chosen from the selection criteria of the fastest 6, however when it is not straight forward and some swimmers were not at trials however were at the Commonwealths it makes the selection a lot harder to see. I wouldn't want to put down any names in case it was not correct and changed at a later date. I would assume that British Swimming had some discussion over relay selection, for example the previously mentioned 100m Freestyle split from her 200m Freestyle for Caitlin McClatchey in Melbourne, would this time be used to put her on the team?!

[OutsideBurner]

Has anyone got a full list of the British Age Records broken at the trials? I heard quite a few announced whilst I was there but can't remember all of them.

[lane4]

And the swimmers with Qualifying Times for the European Junior Championships:
Many thanks for the team listings mad4it. Made for very interesting reading to see them all lined up like that. There were a couple of other swimmers who made times in semi-finals but then were outside the time in the finals. Not sure in that case if they will be picked as well?

[Katie]

Thanks DAK. Yes I guess it is the case that the swimmers will be chosen from the selection criteria of the fastest 6, however when it is not straight forward and some swimmers were not at trials however were at the Commonwealths it makes the selection a lot harder to see. I wouldn't want to put down any names in case it was not correct and changed at a later date. I would assume that British Swimming had some discussion over relay selection, for example the previously mentioned 100m Freestyle split from her 200m Freestyle for Caitlin McClatchey in Melbourne, would this time be used to put her on the team?!

Wellllll although I know she'd knock me flat on 100 free, I'm hoping that this (from the selection policy) should put paid to that possibility:
4.3 Split times or performances from time trials will not be considered.

:fingers: :fingers: :fingers:

[DAK]

Wellllll although I know she'd knock me flat on 100 free, I'm hoping that this (from the selection policy) should put paid to that possibility:
4.3 Split times or performances from time trials will not be considered.

:fingers: :fingers: :fingers:

Absolutely Katie. According to the letter of the law you should be in the team to go to Budapest. It is clear in black and white...if that changed it would never stand up in a court of law!!

[Bazza]

Sorry for getting slack on this - went away for the weekend and didn't get round to finishing off! Thanks to mad4it for attempting to complete this task, but I think there were some omissions, therefore I make the final squad:

MEN:

50m Freestyle : Mark Foster (presumably won't take his place)
100m Freestyle : Simon Burnett
200m Freestyle : Ross Davenport, Simon Burnett, David Carry
400m Freestyle : David Carry, David Davies, Robbie Renwick
1500m Freestyle : David Davies, Christopher Alderton
50m Backstroke : Matt Clay, Liam Tancock
100m Backstroke : Liam Tancock, Gregor Tait, Matt Clay, James Goddard
200m Backstroke : James Goddard, Gregor Tait
50m Breaststroke : Darren Mew, Chris Cook, James Gibson
100m Breaststroke : Chris Cook, James Gibson, Darren Mew
200m Breaststroke : Kris Gilchrist, James Kirton
50m Butterfly : Todd Cooper, Matt Clay
100m Butterfly : Todd Cooper, Matt Bowe
200m Butterfly : Joe Roebuck
200m Individual Medley : Gregor Tait, Joe Roebuck, David Carry, Euan Dale
400m Individual Medley : David Carry, Euan Dale, Joe Roebuck, Lewis Smith
4x100m Freestyle Relay : No team
4x200m Freestyle Relay : Euan Dale, Andrew Hunter, Robbie Renwick

WOMEN:

50m Freestyle : Fran Halsall
100m Freestyle : Fran Halsall
200m Freestyle : Caitlin McClatchey, Mel Marshall, Jo Jackson
400m Freestyle : Caitlin McClatchey, Jo Jackson, Rebecca Adlington
800m Freestyle : Rebecca Cooke, Rebecca Adlington, Keri-Anne Payne, Cassandra Patten
100m Backstroke : Mel Marshall, Katy Sexton, Lizzie Simmonds
200m Backstroke : Mel Marshall, Lizzie Simmonds
50m Breaststroke : Kate Haywood, Kirsty Balfour
100m Breaststroke : Kirsty Balfour, Kate Haywood, Kerry Buchan
200m Breaststroke : Kirsty Balfour
100m Butterfly : Terri Dunning, Ros Brett
200m Butterfly : Jessica Dickons, Terri Dunning, Rebecca Shaw
200m Individual Medley : Terri Dunning, Fran Halsall
400m Individual Medley : Rebecca Cooke, Hannah Miley, Jessica Dickons
4x100m Freestyle Relay : Ros Brett, Julia Beckett, Katherine Wyld, Amy Smith, Jessica Sylvester
4x200m Freestyle Relay : Francesca Halsall, Rebecca Adlington, Stephanie Proud

* In the freestyle relays, Hunter & Renwick, Smith & Sylvester and Adlington & Proud will only be eligible to swim in the heats. Medley relay teams will be selected by the head coach based on performances in the individual 100m events.


Interesting to note the events with no or one qualifier:

Mens 50 free, 100 free and 200 fly.
Womens 50 free, 100 free, 50 back, 200 breast and 50 fly.

This suggests a gap in Britain in sprint freestyle in particular, and is interesting to note the link to trials where the womens 50 & 100 free events had a distinct lack of people making the qualifying time!

[Katie]

I'm not sure that's quite right about the girls' relays... I mean, what about Ros Brett in the 4 x 100 free? And Mel Marshall as she led off the 4 x 100 team in Melbourne, doesn't she count? Or are they not listed as they're swimming other events? Sorry bit confused. The way it was worked out I though Fran was the fastest through, followed by Mel and Ros, with Amy Smith in at number 6 (providing her time at the trials is the one used as her 56.71 wasn't done in the Commonwealth final, or number 5 if it was). Not sure though. We'll have to wait and see.

[Bazza]

Well Katie I might be wrong but as I mentioned earlier my interpretation of the selection policy is that only times from individual events count, therefore no Mel Marshall. Sorry, I missed Ros Brett off because I forgot she didn't qualify for the individual.

[ringer]

Here's the official list posted to the British Swimming site this pm

Congratulations to a certain Miss Wyld who has made the plane.

"The European Championships (50m) take place in Budapest, Hungary from 26th July to 6th August. Swimming will take place at the Alfred Hajos Swimming Complex.
The British squad will comprise:

Name Club Current Coach

Amy Smith Loughborough Steve Bayley
Caitlin McClatchey Loughborough Ben Titley
Cassie Patten Plymouth Leander Jon Rudd
Elizabeth Simmonds Lincoln Vulcans Marc Spackman
Francesca Halsall Co Liverpool Colin Stripe
Hannah Miley Garioch Patrick Miley
Jessica Dickons Bo Stockton Graeme Antwhistle
Jessica Sylvester Nova Centurion Bill Furniss
Jo Jackson Derwentside Dave McNulty
Julia Beckett Loughborough Ben Titley
Kate Haywood Loughborough Ben Titley
Katherine Wyld Nova Centurion Bill Furniss
Katy Sexton Portsmouth Northsea Chris Nesbit
Keri-Anne Payne Stockport Metro Sean Kelly
Kerry Buchan South Aberdeenshire Gary Paterson
Kirsty Balfour Co Edinburgh Fred Vergnoux
Mel Marshall Loughborough Ben Titley
Rebecca Adlington Nova Centurion Bill Furniss
Rebecca Cooke Co Glasgow Stephen Hill
Rebecca Shaw Loughborough Ian Armiger
Ros Brett Loughborough Ben Titley
Stephanie Proud Loughborough Kevin Renshaw
Terri Dunning Co Birmingham Adam Ruckwood


Andrew Hunter Stirling Swim Chris Martin
Chris Alderton Wear Valley Chris Nesbit
Chris Cook Co Newcastle Ian Oliver
Chris Cozens Loughborough Steve Bayley
Craig Houston Stirling Swim Chris Martin
Darren Mew Bath University Kim Swanwick
David Carry Co Aberdeen Ian Turner
David Davies Co Cardiff Dave Haller
Euan Dale Loughborough Ian Turner
Gregor Tait Co Cardiff Dave Haller
James Gibson Loughborough Ben Titley
James Goddard Stockport Metro Sean Kelly
James Kirton Co Sheffield Russ Barber
Joe Roebuck Loughborough Ian Armiger
Kris Gilchrist Co Edinburgh Fred Vergnoux
Lewis Smith Warrender Ian Wright
Liam Tancock Loughborough Ben Titley
Matt Bowe Loughborough Ben Titley
Matt Clay Swansea Performance Bill Pilczuk
Robbie Renwick Co Aberdeen Eileen Adams
Ross Davenport Loughborough Ian Turner
Simon Burnett Wycombe District Frank Busch/Bob Pay
Todd Cooper Stirling Swim Chris Martin

[chlorine_babe]

Congrats Katie

[Katie]

Thanks... and CONGRATS JESS!!! I didn't know anything about it but then I got a little text saying "need a roomate for europeans?!" which made everything excellent. I am VERY excited. :):):)

[mad4it]

Congratulations Katie!!! :D :D :D Thats awesome, something you've worked very hard for, for a long time, lets hope this meet is just a stepping stone to bigger and better things!

Well Done! :)

[Pete]

Katie
You have stuck with your swimming with such a great attitude for so long; you are a credit to all those who have helped you along the way. Have watched you compete for some 10 years and you absolutely deserve your place on the team. :king: