British Championships 2006 (50m)

[Linny]

Thought we shouldn't be posting on a thread called QTs really.

Just felt the "need" to say how well some of the Scots are swimming.

[DAK]

Thought we shouldn't be posting on a thread called QTs really.

Just felt the "need" to say how well some of the Scots are swimming.

Another good swim by a Scot for Robbie Renwick 1.49. for 200 FC. Looks like there will be quite a few Scots in the final of the 200 FC, great stuff.

[Pete]

Another good swim by a Scot for Robbie Renwick 1.49. for 200 FC. Looks like there will be quite a few Scots in the final of the 200 FC, great stuff.
Do I take it FC is Freestyle? Are we the only country in the world that teach FC? When the rest of the world teaches Freestyle?
I agree DAK Scottish swimming is certainly producing some good swimmers.

[stinkpot]

Freestyle is the event - you can choose your style, you could swim butterfly, backstroke, breaststroke, etc. Front Crawl another stroke.

[lane4]

Do I take it FC is Freestyle? Are we the only country in the world that teach FC? When the rest of the world teaches Freestyle?
I agree DAK Scottish swimming is certainly producing some good swimmers.
Freestyle = ANY style
FC = Frontcrawl
Pete, you already know the difference.

[Linny]

Out of interest, was there anything happened to the starting equipment at some point during the men's 50 free heats this morning?

Before this event the reaction times were your usual 0.6-0.9ish. After this they were 0.1-0.3ish.

When does the race timing start? Is it possible for the timing to start after the signal? What is the explanation for this sudden change?

[Vicki]

Just been looking at the result of the womens 50free. What exactly is the point of having 3 people in one semi final and 4 people in the 2nd - it does seem really silly. How can that encourage them to swim faster.....and considering they are all going to make the final anyway it does just seem a bit pointless!

[Linny]

Just been looking at the result of the womens 50free. What exactly is the point of having 3 people in one semi final and 4 people in the 2nd - it does seem really silly. How can that encourage them to swim faster.....and considering they are all going to make the final anyway it does just seem a bit pointless!
No they're not, there's only going to be 5 ladies in the final!

Perhaps the QT was a little tough. On what was it based?

[Vicki]

5 in the final......does make it seem a bit of a farce doesnt it? i wouldnt exactly feel hyped up to swim fast in there were only 2 other people in my race!! I think they need to re-think the qualification times.

On another note it does make you wondered if any of the 35 entrants into the event may have fibbed a little about their times?!!

[Linny]

On another note it does make you wondered if any of the 35 entrants into the event may have fibbed a little about their times?!!Well 21 entered times slower than the senior QT because they were able to by virtue of their age so that's a little unfair.

[Vicki]

Oh yeah...sorry i forgot about that. Well yeah that does make it seem alot better then

[Jade]

No they're not, there's only going to be 5 ladies in the final!

Perhaps the QT was a little tough. On what was it based?

It does seem particularly stupid! Maybe they should base it on the 30th finisher at the previous years nationals or something. Even then in a 10 lane pool thats only 3 heats! They could probably push it to something like 50th finisher for 50's, 40th finisher for 100's, 30th finisher for 200's and 25th finisher for the others or something. Thats just an idea (haven't really thought it through!)

But the numbers in the events are really low, and only having 5 people make the qualifying time is silly!

[Gina]

I have to admit that I kinda mucked up the 50 free. Well I did come 10th after the heats, but I was 0.1 outside the qualifying time (my entry time was actually slower than my pb so no fibbing there!) Anyway, I was thinking too far ahead and never got to where my thoughts were in the end! I just assumed I would go fast enough so I was wearing my old fastskin costume not my super fast Diana kneesuit. That will teach me!

I did notice that it was only the freestyle sprint events (50 + 100) that was really 'poor' if you could say that. The 50 had 7 thru to the semis and the 100 was 9. However, if you look at the fly 50 it was a full semi and the only two other 'lacking' semis were the 200IM and 100 back. Maybe the 50 + 100 free times are too fast.

[400IMer]

"Maybe the 50 + 100 free times are too fast."

This may sound harsh but is it the times that are too fast or the swimmers too slow?

The qualifying times are set to world standards rather than british standards. So the dilema is do we lower the standard to allow more swimmers into heats/semis/finals or do we have 5 swimmers who will have genuine quality times?

Congratulations Gina on making the 10th in the heats - with tougher qualifying this is an even better achievement!

[Jade]

"Maybe the 50 + 100 free times are too fast."

This may sound harsh but is it the times that are too fast or the swimmers too slow?

The qualifying times are set to world standards rather than british standards. So the dilema is do we lower the standard to allow more swimmers into heats/semis/finals or do we have 5 swimmers who will have genuine quality times?

Sorry I think that's a really pointless comment.

Presuming you are correct we could say that the IPS would be the same in free for other strokes. I had a quick look :

50 free- 27.30 837
50 breast- 34.87 804
50 fly- 29.91 773
50 back- 31.86 822

100 free- 58.59 875
100 breast- 1.14.36 838
100 fly- 1.04.36 826
100 back- 1.06.51 851

Also lets say we look at the Australian Qualifying times. Arguably they have the best womens long course team in the World yet their qualifying times are slower and they allow more people to swim at the championships.

In the 50 and 100 free the qualifying times were 27.90 and 1.00.00 for the Commonwealth trials. Visit http://www.swimming.org.au/content/meets_and_results/community/uploads/P_00d7400.pdf

So because their qualifying times are slower than ours does that mean they've lowered their standards. No they are just giving more swimmers a chance.

So yes, although the depth of our womens events may be poor (and its not just freestyle ALL the events are not that great), if we think setting harder qualifying times is going to improve our depth, why don't we set the times our national times as like World records or something, then we'd have LOADS of good swimmers.

[wendy]

5 in the final......does make it seem a bit of a farce doesnt it? i wouldnt exactly feel hyped up to swim fast in there were only 2 other people in my race!! I think they need to re-think the qualification times.

On another note it does make you wondered if any of the 35 entrants into the event may have fibbed a little about their times?!!

You can always check the rankings, I'm sure most of the times were legit. However recreating a final swim from an exciting meet in a morning heat is always a challenge!

Three in one semi final and four in another with only five through to the final!! Can't think why no-one wants to televise this exciting spectacle:rolleyes:

Whats the matter with you???? Use all the flipping lanes available and give swimmers a chance to improve:aarrgghh:

[Pete]

Anyone been able to get results for todays session? Sportsystems seems to be stuck at just the first four events.

[Top10ranking]

marco's backstroke, awesome. Aus is definately working for him :king:

[londoner62]

Anyone been able to get results for todays session? Sportsystems seems to be stuck at just the first four events.

Same situation 4 hours later; Anybody know the placings in the Mens 50 Breaststroke pls?

[Katie]

It was a bit silly having so few people in semis. Also, in response to Linny, the reaction times at the far end were totally out, so all the ones for 50s are wrong!! I'm sure I have a lot more to say about the champs but I am RIDICULOUSLY tired. :)

[Sush]

Darren Mew won - was joint with Whitehead but he got DQ'd. Can't remember silver and bronze

[Linny]

It was a bit silly having so few people in semis. Also, in response to Linny, the reaction times at the far end were totally out, so all the ones for 50s are wrong!! I'm sure I have a lot more to say about the champs but I am RIDICULOUSLY tired. :)Thanks Katie although that doesn't really explain the discrepancies because the ladies 200 fly, the men's 1500 free, etc were the same. Well done you on your fab swim in the 100 free, you had a busy few days I'm not surprised you're tired. Sleep tight. xx

[Katie]

Thanks Linny :) I was really pleased (and surprised!!) with my 100 free, fingers crossed for Europeans. There were some crazy things going on... for instance yesterday James Kirton (who swam AMAZINGLY all week) got kicked out of the 50 brst final because he was 2 minutes late for the call room. This was really odd because no one was EVER on time for the call room, to be totally honest! It just so happened that a reserve was standing by (and the reserves are supposed to go to the call room too, but they never did either as far as I could see!) and so they put the reserve in and took Kirton out. Crazy. Also a lot of waiting around for the guys in the 50 brst as they were brought out on poolside and then sent back in again while there was a protest going on.

I'm a bit confused about the reaction times. What I meant was, everything except the 50s started at the normal starting end, and those reaction times appear to be normal. The 50s started from the other end, and were generally crazy, coming up at 0.1 and 0.2 so they just swtiched them off after a while.

There were some great swims, a lot of them by my excellent teammate Becky Adlington :D:D but I thought Jess Dickons's 200 fly was incredible, and there were a couple of impressive swims from the little Bath girls. Joe Roebuck just seems to get even faster every time he swims!! Francesca Halsall is so talented, there just doesn't seem to be an event she can't do! I noticed quite a few people doing what seemed like HUNDREDS of events... and in a meet like this I couldn't really see the advantage of this. Good meet overall, but with some really frustrating aspects to it! :)

[Gina]

The 2 minute thing is something I found out about in Australia, but I didn't know it happened here. I was in the call room slightly late, but my heat was still in the room, however, they had called out the semi final swimmers and called in the reserve because I wasn't there.

[Katie]

Ooh, may I also plug Mailsports here (sorry if I'm not allowed to do this) as they are EXCELLENT!! I decided I'd like to try one of those Diana suits, and Mailsports didn't have the right size in stock, but instead of just saying this, they got it sent from Italy for me and it arrived at the hotel the VERY NEXT DAY! I was impressed. And the suits are excllent too.

Ooh and another plug for totalswimming who saved me from fastskinlessness, thank yoooou very much, you know who you are!! :D

[Gina]

On the topic of Diana. I notice in the mens 200 free final that 9 out of the 10 guys were wearing Diana! It seems like Diana is becoming much more popular these days.

I did that body scanning thing, and while talking to the Speedo lady, I was saying how I liked the Speedo half sizes (I'm a 29!) but I prefered the Diana material. She said watch this space ... I'm hoping that they come out with a different fabric as their current one isn't the best. It's very thick and heavy once wet. I also found Diana suits to be far stretchier so I feel more secure in them. I will be waiting.

Well done Katie. I saw the 100 free and fingers crossed, Europeans here u come!

[ruthcp]

I MUST congratulate our own 'backstroker' for a fabulous meet - I think he pb'd in every race he swam almost, and came away with 2 bronzes in the 100m and 200m backstroke.
Well done Marco!!! :king:

Some superb swims from quite a few people, and some good times.
What you describe about the call room doesn't sound good though Katie! :cry:

[wendy]

Well done Katie. I saw the 100 free and fingers crossed, Europeans here u come!

I'd like to echo that Katie! Well done a great swim that was well deserved. I had a good view at the end and you definitely had a smile to match libby lenton's :flash:

[Katie]

Ahhh thank you Gina and Wendy!!

At my club we tried Speedo bodysuits made of Diana material... still had a way to go with them but they're definitely making them!! :)

[H2o]

Well done Katie.... fingers crossed for Europeans..... Good Luck!


Well done Backstroker.......... hope to see you later xxxx

[selkie]

Also lets say we look at the Australian Qualifying times. Arguably they have the best womens long course team in the World yet their qualifying times are slower and they allow more people to swim at the championships.



US LCM time standards for national championships if anyone's curious:

Summer Nationals/WC selection meet:

50 free- 26.79
100 free- 57.69
100 back- 1:05.39
100 fly- 1:03.09

Spring Nationals:

50 free- 26.89
100 free- 58.09
100 back- 1:05.79
100 fly- 1:03.29

From the information sheet for Spring Nationals:

"Time standards have been established to have between 900 and 1000 athletes in individual events at the meet. These time standards were established by the Championship Time Standards Committee and then approved by the Senior Swimming Committee in April/May 2005. The philosophy in creating these standards looked at
having at least 200 18 and under male athletes at the meet."

[ringer]

Was the additional 5K event swum after the finals on Sunday? Is there a link to the results please?

[Silver Fox]

There were 3 entry qualifying times at this year's British Championships the 15/16yrs. 17/18 yrs. and Open
Why were the 15/16yrs. and 17/18yrs.there??????
Just to make the numbers up??????
Did the winners of the 15/16yrs.and 17/18yrs.groups get any recognition??????
NO OF COURSE NOT!!!!!!

Is the same going to happen at the National Youth Championships in August which incorporates the ASA Long Course Championships??????

Is the National Youth Championships being taken over AGAIN??????

Are we going to have the same mess we had last year??????

I SINCERELY HOPE NOT!!!!!! Laurie

[Linny]

How did your grandson get on Laurie?

[Silver Fox]

He was first 15/16yr.old breaststroke 100m but no recognition for this group but he did a fantastic time of 1.07.06...laurie

[Katie]

Was the additional 5K event swum after the finals on Sunday? Is there a link to the results please?
The additional 5K was just a time trial, only swum by Cassandra Patten and Sophie Collier AFAIK.