National Speedo League

[Osiris]

Are there any representatives from the clubs in the NER?

Do you think your club would be interested in forming a league for next season?

Sheffield, Leeds, Hull, York, Doncaster, Kirklees, Harrogate, Wakefield, Barnsley? Where are you all?

Surely there are enough clubs in the region to form a league? Perhaps some clubs may wish to enter A and B teams as previously done??

COME ON NORTH EAST....LET'S PUT SOME OF OUR CLUBS BACK IN THE NATIONAL FINALS!

[2.tso]

Well i for one think its a shame that the ne clubs dont do speedos, they are fun, the calenders look pretty full i would assume. is wakefeild not part of the leeds monopoly?

[Osiris]

City of Wakefield and City of Bradford aren't connected to City of Leeds in any way....don't think? perhaps Swimleeds can clarify?

[dalex]

City of Wakefield and City of Bradford aren't connected to City of Leeds in any way....don't think? perhaps Swimleeds can clarify?
City of Bradford and City of Wakefield have no connection with City of Leeds.
It is not a case of not enough clubs just that not enough clubs are prepared to swim THREE rounds to qualify for the Cup Final.

[2.tso]

sorry sorry i ment weatherby

[Osiris]

It is not a case of not enough clubs just that not enough clubs are prepared to swim THREE rounds to qualify for the Cup Final.

why arent they prepared to swim three rounds? could there not be one round, held at either Ponds Forge or the John Charles Centre (New Leeds Pool)??

[Apostle]

Maybe it's the cost involved in travelling around the county (or north east) only to see city of Leeds A B and C come 1 2 3 every year!

[Osiris]

don't you think City of Sheffield would be a contender? they have some good senior swimmers at the minute!

also, BOK have some excellent youngsters!!

Look at the history of the league...Leeds have been such a dominant force for so many years, and Sheffield have also been very close! why have they been excluded? why should the likes of Sheffield and Leeds (the premier clubs in the North East) have to travel to other regions to participate?

[Apostle]

I don't think they should allowed to travel to other regions basically because they are so strong as you say that some other teams are going to miss out.

We need a good NER to make speedo a true national competitioon but it's up to the NER teams to sort out I think.

[knightdiver]

Its about time the NER restarted speado leagues and not just for the top clubs but also for the others so that they can compete in good league and work their way up through divisions. If you look at speado south they have a good set up. Why can we not emulate them.:banghead:

[in-exile]

Its about time the NER restarted speado leagues and not just for the top clubs but also for the others so that they can compete in good league and work their way up through divisions. If you look at speado south they have a good set up. Why can we not emulate them.:banghead:Well it could be that you seem to be a little doggie...:)

[swimstore]

Pass you comments onto ian.mackenzie@speedoleague.org.uk

Maybe the more people that want it back it will get sorted

[dalex]

Pass you comments onto ian.mackenzie@speedoleague.org.uk

Maybe the more people that want it back it will get sorted

You got that just right - 'more people' - that is the problem - more people are not interested in getting it sorted.

[swimbar]

why arent they prepared to swim three rounds? could there not be one round, held at either Ponds Forge or the John Charles Centre (New Leeds Pool)??

For many years they only swam one round in the North East, albeit there were two divisions. However the Speedo League has decreed (or so we are told!!) that they must swim three rounds, and also I understand, there must be at least 15 teams.

Presumably if the North East meets this criteria they (the Speedo League) will think of something else!!

[Mac]

You seem to be suggesting that the Speedo league are deliberately trying to exclude the North east clubs. Why would they do that? - i would think that the Speedo league would very much welcome the retun of those clubs and it's not like City of Leeds would necessarily win the thing; there are several clubs each year who have very srong teams as far as i can see.

It seems to me to be perfecty fair that the North East clubs should be subject to the same rules as everyone else if they are going to compete in a league. Yes the competition calendar is busy already but i don't imagine it is any busier in the North east than in other parts of the country

[Pink Paraffin]

It seems to me to be perfecty fair that the North East clubs should be subject to the same rules as everyone else if they are going to compete in a league. Yes the competition calendar is busy already but i don't imagine it is any busier in the North east than in other parts of the country

I'll be delighted to do just one round against the best 7 other teams in our Region

However, if we have to do 3 rounds, then so does everyone else

What's the problem? If the NE have enough teams who want to do it and accept the League rules, get on with it and stop whinging. If you don't have enough teams and/or you don't like the rules, put up and shut up

[swimbar]

I'll be delighted to do just one round against the best 7 other teams in our Region

However, if we have to do 3 rounds, then so does everyone else

What's the problem? If the NE have enough teams who want to do it and accept the League rules, get on with it and stop whinging. If you don't have enough teams and/or you don't like the rules, put up and shut up

I wasn't whinging. I was merely pointing out the situation.
I am not aware of any groundswell of clubs who want to join a Speedo League NE.
To not be in the Speedo League, is not the end of the world.

[Blob]

To not be in the Speedo League, is not the end of the world.


To normal folk maybe not, but I think you may be surprised at the number of coaches who have a Speedo result card in their wage review pack (either dealt or palmed). The joker is never popular; some will employ all sorts of imaginative tactics to avoid that one, I'm sure it's been touched on before.

[Green Shed]

If you don't have enough teams and/or you don't like the rules, put up and shut up
Bronwyn, who can be a bit of a stickler for these things, has asked me to point out that it's generally either 'put up' or 'shut up'. Rarely both unless too much Brains involved.

[Goldfish]

[QUOTE=Pink Paraffin;104686]

If you don't have enough teams and/or you don't like the rules, put up and shut up


I think you will find they already have. It is just that some others keep bringing the subject up time after time.

[Osiris]

perhaps the speedo league should invite teams from the NE to form a league next season! i think there could be at least 15 teams willing to compete!

[2.tso]

i doubt it will happen

[Goldfish]

perhaps the speedo league should invite teams from the NE to form a league next season! i think there could be at least 15 teams willing to compete!
If it is that easy just go ahead and organize it. I am sure the present NSSLNE Committee would be glad for you to get it started.

[Pink Paraffin]

I thinks if Osiris, 2.0 et al put their efforts into writing to clubs suggesting a meeting of those interested in getting a NE League started, then this could be fruitful

Or they could spend their time on here bleating about how it won't ever happen, woe are us etc etc

Perhaps NE clubs have just realised that the 1980's are over and that their region is not the **** of the walk in English swimming anymore

Anyone got a tin hat I could borrow? :)

[Goldfish]

I thinks if Osiris, 2.0 et al put their efforts into writing to clubs suggesting a meeting of those interested in getting a NE League started, then this could be fruitful

Or they could spend their time on here bleating about how it won't ever happen, woe are us etc etc

Perhaps NE clubs have just realised that the 1980's are over and that their region is not the **** of the walk in English swimming anymore

Anyone got a tin hat I could borrow? :)

2nd (N & D) and 3rd (Yorkshire) in the ASA Inter County last Sunday they cannot be all that bad!!!!

[NotVeryFast]

However the Speedo League has decreed (or so we are told!!) that they must swim three rounds, and also I understand, there must be at least 15 teams.
Hmm, so if that is all that is needed, if a club wants to make the final, what is to stop them from entering 15 teams in a regional league that nobody else can be bothered to take part in, and swim 3 rounds where most of their teams don't actually have any swimmers turn up on the day. Wouldn't they win their regional league and be eligible for the final?

[Pink Paraffin]

2nd (N & D) and 3rd (Yorkshire) in the ASA Inter County last Sunday they cannot be all that bad!!!!

If Yorkshire have become happy with third these days, things really have gone down hill

[2.tso]

pp just stating that i doubt it will happen, i spent a year with a ne club and there was never any mention of it happening. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Goldfish]

perhaps the speedo league should invite teams from the NE to form a league next season! i think there could be at least 15 teams willing to compete!
I can think of more than 15 teams but getting them to compete in three rounds in 2008 is another matter.
Round 1 on Saturday/Sunday 11th/12th October 2008
Round 2 on Saturday/Sunday 8th/9th November 2008
Round 3 (Final) Saturday/Sunday 13th/14th December 2008

Teams
Borough of Kirklees, City of Bradford, City of Leeds, City of Sheffield, Dartes, Harrogate, Kingston upon Hull, Skipton, York, Borough of Barnsley, City of Wakefiedl, Halifax, Kingfisher, Rotherham Metro, Scarborough, South Holderness, Bridlington, New Earswick, Selby Tiger Sharks, Thirsk White Horse, Stockton, Middlesbrough, City of Sunderland, Moors, Tynemouth, Wear Valley, Derwebtside, Newburn, Gateshead & Whickham, South Tyneside and Chester le Street.

Must be (easy) able to get 15 from that lot.

[dalex]

If Yorkshire have become happy with third these days, things really have gone down hill
I am sure that the Yorkshire Swimming Secretary is far from happy to see God's own county in third spot and he would also be unhappy to be behind the Red Rose county as well as N & D. Got plenty of work to do to get back to number 1.

[Osiris]

I can think of more than 15 teams but getting them to compete in three rounds in 2008 is another matter.
Round 1 on Saturday/Sunday 11th/12th October 2008
Round 2 on Saturday/Sunday 8th/9th November 2008
Round 3 (Final) Saturday/Sunday 13th/14th December 2008

Teams
Borough of Kirklees, City of Bradford, City of Leeds, City of Sheffield, Dartes, Harrogate, Kingston upon Hull, Skipton, York, Borough of Barnsley, City of Wakefiedl, Halifax, Kingfisher, Rotherham Metro, Scarborough, South Holderness, Bridlington, New Earswick, Selby Tiger Sharks, Thirsk White Horse, Stockton, Middlesbrough, City of Sunderland, Moors, Tynemouth, Wear Valley, Derwebtside, Newburn, Gateshead & Whickham, South Tyneside and Chester le Street.

Must be (easy) able to get 15 from that lot.

goldy, i think the main problem would be the smaller ones being willing to be part of a league with Leeds, Sheffield, Hull, DARTES etc.

[Pink Paraffin]

goldy, i think the main problem would be the smaller ones being willing to be part of a league with Leeds, Sheffield, Hull, DARTES etc.

Oh well, best not have a League in the North East then

Debate re-opens October 2008 :wave:

[Osiris]

PP, seems you are slightly worried by the NE teams?

[swimbar]

Oh well, best not have a League in the North East then

Debate re-opens October 2008 :wave:

Who has won the Speedo National Junior League for the last two years and hopefully for a third?

[Pink Paraffin]

PP, seems you are slightly worried by the NE teams?

Worried, no. Bemused, yes

I would like to see some NE teams back in. It just won't happen because you'll all just pontificate like you do each year

So roll on October 2008 so we can go once more around the same ride :)

[Pink Paraffin]

Who has won the Speedo National Junior League for the last two years and hopefully for a third?

Aah, the best club in the country over 25m sprints I assume.

I have no idea. Who was it?

[Osiris]

Cup Final


2007 Stockport Metro SC North West
2006 Hatfield S.C London
2005 Millfield School Western
2004 City of Leeds S.C North East
2003 City of Leeds S.C North East
2002 Kingston upon Hull S.C North East
2001 City of Leeds S.C North East
2000 Portsmouth Northsea S.C South
1999 City of Leeds S.C North East
1998 City of Leeds S.C North East
1997 City of Leeds S.C North East
1996 City of Leeds S.C North East
1995 City of Leeds S.C North East
1994 City of Leeds S.C North East
1993 City of Leeds S.C North East
1992 Portsmouth Northsea S.C South
1991 City of Leeds S.C North East
1990 City of Leeds S.C North East
1989 Portsmouth Northsea S.C South
1988 City of Leeds S.C North East
1987 Radford S.C East Midlands
1986 Stockport Metropolitan S.C North West
1985 Norwich Penguins S.C East Midlands
1984 City of Leeds S.C North East
1983 City of Leeds S.C North East
1982 City of Leeds S.C North East
1981 City of Leeds S.C North East
1980 City of Leeds S.C North East
1979 City of Coventry S.C West Midlands
1978 Beckenham S.C South
1977 City of Coventry S.C West Midlands
1976 City of Coventry S.C West Midlands
1975 City of Cardiff S.C Western
1974 City of Southampton S.C South
1973 City of Southampton S.C South
1972 City of Southampton S.C South
1971 City of Southampton S.C South
1970 City of Southampton S.C South

[Pink Paraffin]

Cup Final etc

West Brom used to be quite good at football too ;)

[Apostle]

Aah, the best club in the country over 25m sprints I assume.

I have no idea. Who was it?

B of Kirklees PP.

But why do the smaller clubs refuse to swim with the bigger ones, just because they would get beaten?? How wrong is that!!

And then we have the comment somewhere above that they could find 15 clubs to make up a league but not sure if they would swim 3 rounds. How can it be a league then?

[Apostle]

Cup Final


2007 Stockport Metro SC North West
2006 Hatfield S.C London
2005 Millfield School Western
2004 City of Leeds S.C North East
2003 City of Leeds S.C North East
2002 Kingston upon Hull S.C North East
2001 City of Leeds S.C North East
2000 Portsmouth Northsea S.C South
1999 City of Leeds S.C North East
1998 City of Leeds S.C North East
1997 City of Leeds S.C North East
1996 City of Leeds S.C North East
1995 City of Leeds S.C North East
1994 City of Leeds S.C North East
1993 City of Leeds S.C North East
1992 Portsmouth Northsea S.C South
1991 City of Leeds S.C North East
1990 City of Leeds S.C North East
1989 Portsmouth Northsea S.C South
1988 City of Leeds S.C North East
1987 Radford S.C East Midlands
1986 Stockport Metropolitan S.C North West
1985 Norwich Penguins S.C East Midlands
1984 City of Leeds S.C North East
1983 City of Leeds S.C North East
1982 City of Leeds S.C North East
1981 City of Leeds S.C North East
1980 City of Leeds S.C North East
1979 City of Coventry S.C West Midlands
1978 Beckenham S.C South
1977 City of Coventry S.C West Midlands
1976 City of Coventry S.C West Midlands
1975 City of Cardiff S.C Western
1974 City of Southampton S.C South
1973 City of Southampton S.C South
1972 City of Southampton S.C South
1971 City of Southampton S.C South
1970 City of Southampton S.C South

It's an impressive record and one we all back in the speedo family, even if you do beat us. It's about competition and speedo is worse of because the North East want's things it's own way.

Unfortunatly speedo is run over three rounds and then a national final.

Like I say, we want you back in but not on the North easts terms.

[Goldfish]

It's an impressive record and one we all back in the speedo family, even if you do beat us. It's about competition and speedo is worse of because the North East want's things it's own way.

Unfortunatly speedo is run over three rounds and then a national final.

Like I say, we want you back in but not on the North easts terms.

Without the NE is it still a NATIONAL final?

[Apostle]

Yes.

[Pink Paraffin]

Without the NE is it still a NATIONAL final?

Of the regional Leagues who are organised enough to actually run and of the teams who are willing to follow the League rules rather than demand their own seperate rules or special dispensation from them, it is a National Final

With the Senior National team away at a meet at one time or another, is an ASA National Championships run at the same time a Nationals? Of course it is - just one that would be better if everyone was there

And a National Speedo League Final would be better with representative/s from the NE in it (have I been here before) but...you'll have to follow the same rules as everyone else (shock horror, what us, the mighty NE?)

[Apostle]

Of the regional Leagues who are organised enough to actually run and of the teams who are willing to follow the League rules rather than demand their own seperate rule or special dispensation from them, it is a National Final

With the Senior National team away at a meet at one time or another, is an ASA National Championships run at the same time a Nationals? Of course it is - just one that would be better if everyone was there

And a National Speedo League Final would be better with representative/s from the NE in it (have I been here before) but...you'll have to follow the same rules as everyone else (shock horror, what us, the mighty NE?)
wise words

[swimbar]

Of the regional Leagues who are organised enough to actually run and of the teams who are willing to follow the League rules rather than demand their own seperate rules or special dispensation from them, it is a National Final

With the Senior National team away at a meet at one time or another, is an ASA National Championships run at the same time a Nationals? Of course it is - just one that would be better if everyone was there

And a National Speedo League Final would be better with representative/s from the NE in it (have I been here before) but...you'll have to follow the same rules as everyone else (shock horror, what us, the mighty NE?)


One of the problems at the moment appears to be that various leagues follow different rules (or are the posts I have read here wrong?)

Also how you get invited to compete in the National Final appears to be a mystery. Apparently you can finish fourth in your local league final and get invited, but if you finish third you don't.

Probably the NE is better out of it until sombody sorts out the rules!!

[Apostle]

The leaugue has made great strides to sort out the mess of last year when they tried to take advantage of the empty lanes at the final. Why swim at a 10 lane pool with only 7 lanes being occupied.

When trying to identify who would be in the A & B final the league identified that the only way in which they could run a virtual gala to fill the lanes (after the region winners) was to apply fina points to everyones results. Hence the reason why some teams leapfrogged others or 4th placed teams qualified for the b final.

So the league issued a directive ordering all regaions to follow the national final programme so that we all swum the same events. Then a simple virtual gala could be applied that did not favour clubs with strong senior swimmers.

I think there is still some confusions as to whether all devsions in each regaion should swim the national program but it is quite clear that each top dvision should and how many swims can be done by individuals.

The rules are now sorted out.

[Pink Paraffin]

Probably the NE is better out of it until sombody sorts out the rules!!

This is academic as they won't sort themselves out anyway

[Swim-ma]

The rules are now sorted out.

They may be sorted with regard to the programme of events & number of events each individual may swim however the league rules remain different regarding round draws & points allocation.
Here in the South region rounds 1 & 2 are drawn according to final league positions from the previous year, whereas in London the 2nd round is drawn according to league position following round 1. Also the system of allocating bonus points differs region to region. There may be other differences but I have not looked at all the regions' rules!
Surely these differences must affect the positions teams finish in the league? [and therefore promotion & relegation at the end of round 3]. If any team were to swim in a different round gala whether it be a team near the top or bottom of the league, the gala result & therefore league position would surely differ resulting in a very different final league table.
Given that this is a National league I cannot understand why the rules are not the same for each region.
Can someone please enlighten me?

[Pink Paraffin]

Given that this is a National league I cannot understand why the rules are not the same for each region.

Good point. Any regional League who are not following the National League rules in their 'premier' Division are breaking Speedo League rules. Therefore, the teams qualifying for the National Finals in 2008 could find themselves the subject of a protest any time between December 2007 and May 2008 (and this would be their regional League's fault rather than any individual club's issue) :eek:

[Apostle]

I don't think that the rules stated they have to have the same promotion / relegation rules in every region, only that they have to swim the same programme.

But if they continue to swim different programmes hen that could be a problem.