Well, that didn't go according to plan

[comeondarlo]

Originally Posted by Happi Blue

Linny that's the best comment I've seen on here in a long while!

Agreed!!!!!!!!

[saturdaynighter]

Originally Posted by awaldram

That is the problem with the 'behind closed doors' management BS is engaged in there is only one scape goat when things go wrong.

Unfortunately the culprits wont pay but the British Swimmers will.

There'll be no tightening of belts for the suits. I'm pretty confident next pay rounds they'll get a bigger cut of the pie

Surely British Swimming won't be vulnerable to the back-scratching, quango, help-yourself-from-the-till disease? Are there not published Accounts for British Swimming showing the salaries of all the key players? I'm sure there are plenty of inadequacies in the athlete funding system and the efforts of individuals and groups of swimmers, but where does the buck stop - coaches, management, organisation.... ? If there's a proper review, let's hope it's covers everything.

[NotVeryFast]

Originally Posted by saturdaynighter

Surely British Swimming won't be vulnerable to the back-scratching, quango, help-yourself-from-the-till disease?

This is the basis of the principal-agent problem. The agent generally wants to further their own interests, it's up to the principal (in this case whoever is providing the money) to ensure the agent's interests are aligned with the principal's objectives.

[swimclublurker]

Originally Posted by Linny

Maybe that is because as soon as we get a big kid swimming fast there are cries of 'oh he's only fast because he's big, he'll lose when everyone else gets bigger', forgetting about the negative effect that might have on their psychology and perhaps leading to their retiring when the going gets tough? Also I think some of these big kids are treated as old before they are ready (at school as well as in the pool) and din't get the support they need.

Instead of knocking them down (and jealous parents are the worst for this) why not say 'fantastic, a big kid!'

Being tall is a positive attribute in swimming. We should be encouraging our tall swimmers to stay.

In fact one of the female rowers had been through a programme of talent id because she was tall. If you look at, eg Tancock, he was tichy compared to the rest of the guys in his final. Had he been taller he may have been a winner?

[Laugh Out Loud]

Originally Posted by Linny

Maybe that is because as soon as we get a big kid swimming fast there are cries of 'oh he's only fast because he's big, he'll lose when everyone else gets bigger', forgetting about the negative effect that might have on their psychology and perhaps leading to their retiring when the going gets tough? Also I think some of these big kids are treated as old before they are ready (at school as well as in the pool) and din't get the support they need.

Instead of knocking them down (and jealous parents are the worst for this) why not say 'fantastic, a big kid!'

Being tall is a positive attribute in swimming. We should be encouraging our tall swimmers to stay.

Love this totally agree a great comment I have tall children and I have been
told this by parents time and time again!!

[Happi Blue]

Originally Posted by oswim

Love this totally agree a great comment I have tall children and I have been
told this by parents time and time again!!

My lad's 6'5" always been tall, when he stopped swimming (we lived too far away & he just got stressed out) he moved to rugby and was immediately successful in that having never played before due to the swimming. The only problem with being tall .... filling those hollow legs with food!!!

[Leprechaun]

Originally Posted by Happi Blue

My lad's 6'5" always been tall, when he stopped swimming (we lived too far away & he just got stressed out) he moved to rugby and was immediately successful in that having never played before due to the swimming. The only problem with being tall .... filling those hollow legs with food!!!

At 6'5" he must have been very welcome in the line-out - great move H-B. I am sure if a talent ID programme was ongoing for water polo someone would surely recognise the attraction of a big lad, able to swim and with enough rudimentary ball-skills to play rugby.......One of water polo's biggest challenges must surely be in just letting kids have a go while they are in competitive swimming, rather than after they are fed up with it. Seems a no-brainer to me.

[Happi Blue]

Originally Posted by Leprechaun

At 6'5" he must have been very welcome in the line-out - great move H-B. I am sure if a talent ID programme was ongoing for water polo someone would surely recognise the attraction of a big lad, able to swim and with enough rudimentary ball-skills to play rugby.......One of water polo's biggest challenges must surely be in just letting kids have a go while they are in competitive swimming, rather than after they are fed up with it. Seems a no-brainer to me.

When he was 10 his then coach Robin Brew had a family fun day to celebrate his birthday and they had a water polo match with the Brew family v older swimmers. My lad loved it and was desperate to play but there was nothing in our area. He has played at uni now tho but there is nothing really organised.

One of PL's former swimmer's, Holly Campbell (niece of Doug), is now a successful water polo player for Caledonia/Scotland and I've promised her I'm going to watch a match next season.

[saturdaynighter]

Anybody have any idea what all the ITC coaches are going to do in the near future? Many of them will have had a wonderfully lucrative 4 years and the expectation of great post-2012 career paths.
Is there anything more precious than the grounded independence of a John Rudd or Bill Furniss?

[selkie]

It's come out that China has spent more than $1.5 million USD on Sun Yang's training to this point, including, IMO, massively overpaying for Australian coaching. Wow.

Any sensible country isn't going to match that kind of spending, so the question is how to spend smarter.

[Apostle]

Originally Posted by selkie

It's come out that China has spent more than $1.5 million USD on Sun Yang's training to this point, including, IMO, massively overpaying for Australian coaching. Wow.

Any sensible country isn't going to match that kind of spending, so the question is how to spend smarter.

I saw somewhere today that Sun Yang had also bagged $18 million dollars from Coca Cola. $6 mill goes to china swimming and $6 million shared between his teammates which means they get $150,000 each.

He gets $6 million so not a bad return for china swimming!

http://www.swimnews.com/News/view/9715

[selkie]

Given how a lot of World Championships/Olympic finals swimmers still struggle financially, I actually kind of like how they seem to be dividing the amount among his teammates. Good lane mates really can help push someone to better things.

[SwimmingMum]

Is there anything more precious than the grounded independence of a John Rudd or Bill Furniss?




I thought John Rudd was moving to Loughborough - just what I heard?

[Happi Blue]

Originally Posted by SwimmingMum

Is there anything more precious than the grounded independence of a John Rudd or Bill Furniss?

I thought John Rudd was moving to Loughborough - just what I heard?

Well you thought wrong! I know for a fact (just spoke with him) that JON Rudd is very happy at Plymouth Leander and won't be moving to Loughborough. Rumour over

[awaldram]

Originally Posted by Linny

Maybe that is because as soon as we get a big kid swimming fast there are cries of 'oh he's only fast because he's big, he'll lose when everyone else gets bigger', forgetting about the negative effect that might have on their psychology and perhaps leading to their retiring when the going gets tough? Also I think some of these big kids are treated as old before they are ready (at school as well as in the pool) and din't get the support they need.

Instead of knocking them down (and jealous parents are the worst for this) why not say 'fantastic, a big kid!'

Being tall is a positive attribute in swimming. We should be encouraging our tall swimmers to stay.

Not sure this holds water as a general observation.
Our tallest swimmer is the most popular in the club, all the kids look up to him.
Parents have nothing but nice things to say about him, But he is one of the nicest kids you could meet even though one of the top 16yr old sprinters in the country.

Maybe the opposite is true the fast/bigger kids get priority treatment pushed
through the clubs squad structure before their strokes have developed
properly so once maturity hits don't have the tools to compete with the smaller kids who have had to compete from an early age .??