Phelps Vs Hoff

DAK · 23-04-2008, 10:56 AM

Who will win most gold medals in Beijing?

Without looking in detail at the programme they could possibly win the following:

Phelps

100 and 200 Fly
200 and 400 IM
200 FC
4x100 FC Relay
4x100 Medley Relay
4x200 FC Relay
(Unlikely to swim backstroke events?)

Possible 8 golds

Hoff

200, 400 and 800 FC
200 and 400 IM
4x100 FC Relay
4x200 FC Relay

Possible 7 golds

I realise there will be many swimmers who will have something to say about this but what do you think?

2.tso · 23-04-2008, 11:01 AM

hmmmm i can see phels swimming the 100 if he breaks the wr in trials!

Mac · 23-04-2008, 11:22 AM

Hoff could also potentially swim the 100fc in the medley relay (she's swum some pretty decent times recently - low 54's i think) if they put Coughlin on the bk. i think Hoff stands a very good chance in all the events listed although i wouldn't say that she's as clear a favourite in any of them as, say, Phelps in the 200 fly/400IM. That said, she may well become a clear favourite if she swims really fast at the US trials (which i suspect she might well do!)

Apostle · 23-04-2008, 11:29 AM

I've got a feeling that Ryan Lochte is going to give Phelps a scare in he medley. He may not beat him but he looked mighty impressive at the worlds just gone.

Stevie_k · 23-04-2008, 11:37 AM

I think Phelps is gonna make her his biatch!

DAK · 23-04-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac

Hoff could also potentially swim the 100fc in the medley relay (she's swum some pretty decent times recently - low 54's i think) if they put Coughlin on the bk. i think Hoff stands a very good chance in all the events listed although i wouldn't say that she's as clear a favourite in any of them as, say, Phelps in the 200 fly/400IM. That said, she may well become a clear favourite if she swims really fast at the US trials (which i suspect she might well do!)

Very true, she is second ranked 100 FC behind Coughlin at the moment in the USA. So could possibly win 9.

I think the USA stand a better chance in the mens relays than in the womens which could be the difference.

RaoulD · 23-04-2008, 05:00 PM

I thought the US Swimming policy with regard to the medley was that the finals team usually comprised the best performer in each of the individual 100s. I remember the fuss that was made when Phelps beat Crocker in the 100m Fly in Athens and then Crocker swum the fly leg in the relay. I am not sure that Hoff would include the individual 100 Free if she was intending to do the 200, 400 and 800 and both IMs as well!

Bazza · 23-04-2008, 05:51 PM

Remember though it was Day 8, I'm sure Phelps was knackered and Crocker was the world record holder and silver medallist on the 100 and beaten by only 0.04. Who knows, maybe Phelps volunteered? Or maybe they just wanted to make Texas look good.

Does anyone know the schedule for Beijing? I would be interested to see it.

As for Phelps vs Hoff, at the moment I would bet on Phelps. He is WR holder in 4 individual events, 2nd all time in the other and USA are WR holders in all three relays. Compare to Hoff, she holds 0 WRs and is ranked 2,2,3,3 and 4 in the events listed above among current swimmers. In the relays USA hold one WR and will face stiff competition from Australia and Netherlands plus maybe GB, France and Germany.

Baker · 24-04-2008, 08:13 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if NBC or whatever TV company that caused morning finals made sure that the programme was laid out to make sure Phelps has the best possible chance of winning 7+ gold medals.

Isn't there 1 event between 200 back and 200 IM final? In which Ryan Lochte will be swimming both, and probably the main man to take on Phelps in the IM.

DAK · 24-04-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bazza

Remember though it was Day 8, I'm sure Phelps was knackered and Crocker was the world record holder and silver medallist on the 100 and beaten by only 0.04. Who knows, maybe Phelps volunteered? Or maybe they just wanted to make Texas look good.

Does anyone know the schedule for Beijing? I would be interested to see it.

As for Phelps vs Hoff, at the moment I would bet on Phelps. He is WR holder in 4 individual events, 2nd all time in the other and USA are WR holders in all three relays. Compare to Hoff, she holds 0 WRs and is ranked 2,2,3,3 and 4 in the events listed above among current swimmers. In the relays USA hold one WR and will face stiff competition from Australia and Netherlands plus maybe GB, France and Germany.

Good analysis. I think Hoff may well have a couple of WR's in the bag following the US Trials and be ranked #1 in a few events but I also agree that Phelps would be the best bet.

Pink Paraffin · 24-04-2008, 09:40 AM

I reckon that Phelps would beat Hoff head to head in a race any time

lane4 · 24-04-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RaoulD

I remember the fuss that was made when Phelps beat Crocker in the 100m Fly in Athens and then Crocker swum the fly leg in the relay.

What fuss? Phelps earned the swim in the final but volunteered to give it up and let Crocker take his place. It was one of the most unselfish acts in sporting history and speaks volumes of the kind of guy he is.

Dan_tm · 24-04-2008, 10:55 AM

Phelps easy....

Hoff has no where near the dominance that Phelps has in the mens...As mentioned previously,Hoff holds no WR's and the the US Womens relay teams in the 4x100m Free and 4x100 medley relay have been lagging behind for years.

Hoff vs Trickett is a better contest..

Trickett is top ranked in the

50m Free
100m Free
100 Fly
and the Australian relay teams have been undefeated in the 4x100m and 4x100medley for years and based on times at the Aus Trials,they are currently top ranked in all 3 relays

If the Australian relay teams fire,then Trickett will get 6

Hoff....2 at the most.

Linny · 24-04-2008, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_tm

Phelps easy....

Hoff has no where near the dominance that Phelps has in the mens...As mentioned previously,Hoff holds no WR's and the the US Womens relay teams in the 4x100m Free and 4x100 medley relay have been lagging behind for years.

Hoff vs Trickett is a better contest..

Trickett is top ranked in the

50m Free
100m Free
100 Fly
and the Australian relay teams have been undefeated in the 4x100m and 4x100medley for years and based on times at the Aus Trials,they are currently top ranked in all 3 relays

If the Australian relay teams fire,then Trickett will get 6

Hoff....2 at the most.

I think that you are overestimating the Australians and Ms Trickett (because they have had their trials) and underestimating the American's and Ms Hoff (because they have not). I believe that Ms Hoff holds no world records because by all accounts we haven't seen her fully prepared to race this year and for one reason or another the world records in her events have come tumbling down. I don't think that it is unreasonable to suspect that she may swim faster than she has swum before in the same way as so many others have when suited and prepared this year.

DAK · 24-04-2008, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny

I think that you are overestimating the Australians and Ms Trickett (because they have had their trials) and underestimating the American's and Ms Hoff (because they have not). I believe that Ms Hoff holds no world records because by all accounts we haven't seen her fully prepared to race this year and for one reason the world records in her events have come tumbling down. I don't think that it is unreasonable to suspect that she may swim faster than she has swum before in the same way as so many others have when suited and prepared this year.

I would concur with Linny's comments. Katie Hoff is currently ranked # 1 in the world on 200 FC despite not racing tapered yet. She also has a shot at 200 and 400 IM WR's as well as 400 and 800 FC world records at the US trials.

Looking forward to seeing her go head to head with Adlington and Ziegler on 800 FC in Beijing.

23-04-2008, 11:01 AM	#2
2.tso The Artist Formerly Known as 2.0mps Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lavington NSW Posts: 2,971	hmmmm i can see phels swimming the 100 if he breaks the wr in trials! __________________ It is omelettes and eggs. No eggs no omelettes! In the market you have class 1, 2 or 3 and some more expensive than others some give you better omelettes.

23-04-2008, 11:29 AM	#4
Apostle The Sheriff of Ipswich! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Essex / Suffolk Posts: 2,049	I've got a feeling that Ryan Lochte is going to give Phelps a scare in he medley. He may not beat him but he looked mighty impressive at the worlds just gone. __________________ 'Do not read beauty magazines. They will only make you feel ugly!!'

23-04-2008, 05:51 PM	#8
Bazza Less is more! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 2,712	Remember though it was Day 8, I'm sure Phelps was knackered and Crocker was the world record holder and silver medallist on the 100 and beaten by only 0.04. Who knows, maybe Phelps volunteered? Or maybe they just wanted to make Texas look good. Does anyone know the schedule for Beijing? I would be interested to see it. As for Phelps vs Hoff, at the moment I would bet on Phelps. He is WR holder in 4 individual events, 2nd all time in the other and USA are WR holders in all three relays. Compare to Hoff, she holds 0 WRs and is ranked 2,2,3,3 and 4 in the events listed above among current swimmers. In the relays USA hold one WR and will face stiff competition from Australia and Netherlands plus maybe GB, France and Germany. __________________ "Lets see if I can beat the Russians with a rug on my back." "If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer."

24-04-2008, 09:40 AM	#11
Pink Paraffin Two Accelerators, No Brakes Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 601	I reckon that Phelps would beat Hoff head to head in a race any time __________________ The reason a dog has so many friend is cos he wags his tail instead of his tongue

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23-04-2008, 10:56 AM	#1
DAK Eatin's Cheatin Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: London Posts: 511	Phelps Vs Hoff Who will win most gold medals in Beijing? Without looking in detail at the programme they could possibly win the following: Phelps 100 and 200 Fly 200 and 400 IM 200 FC 4x100 FC Relay 4x100 Medley Relay 4x200 FC Relay (Unlikely to swim backstroke events?) Possible 8 golds Hoff 200, 400 and 800 FC 200 and 400 IM 4x100 FC Relay 4x200 FC Relay Possible 7 golds I realise there will be many swimmers who will have something to say about this but what do you think? __________________ There's yer Dinner.

23-04-2008, 11:22 AM	#3
Mac Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Essex Posts: 183	Hoff could also potentially swim the 100fc in the medley relay (she's swum some pretty decent times recently - low 54's i think) if they put Coughlin on the bk. i think Hoff stands a very good chance in all the events listed although i wouldn't say that she's as clear a favourite in any of them as, say, Phelps in the 200 fly/400IM. That said, she may well become a clear favourite if she swims really fast at the US trials (which i suspect she might well do!)

23-04-2008, 11:37 AM	#5
Stevie_k Hello! Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,962	I think Phelps is gonna make her his biatch!

23-04-2008, 05:00 PM	#7
RaoulD Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Surrey Posts: 545	I thought the US Swimming policy with regard to the medley was that the finals team usually comprised the best performer in each of the individual 100s. I remember the fuss that was made when Phelps beat Crocker in the 100m Fly in Athens and then Crocker swum the fly leg in the relay. I am not sure that Hoff would include the individual 100 Free if she was intending to do the 200, 400 and 800 and both IMs as well!

24-04-2008, 08:13 AM	#9
Baker Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 102	I wouldn't be surprised if NBC or whatever TV company that caused morning finals made sure that the programme was laid out to make sure Phelps has the best possible chance of winning 7+ gold medals. Isn't there 1 event between 200 back and 200 IM final? In which Ryan Lochte will be swimming both, and probably the main man to take on Phelps in the IM.

24-04-2008, 10:55 AM	#13
Dan_tm Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Melbourne,Australia Posts: 18	Phelps easy.... Hoff has no where near the dominance that Phelps has in the mens...As mentioned previously,Hoff holds no WR's and the the US Womens relay teams in the 4x100m Free and 4x100 medley relay have been lagging behind for years. Hoff vs Trickett is a better contest.. Trickett is top ranked in the 50m Free 100m Free 100 Fly and the Australian relay teams have been undefeated in the 4x100m and 4x100medley for years and based on times at the Aus Trials,they are currently top ranked in all 3 relays If the Australian relay teams fire,then Trickett will get 6 Hoff....2 at the most.

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